What is so adorable about a man that is 2yrs younger than Toms dad dating a teenage boy? Do you know that Dustin has had 3 teenage boyfriends in past 3 years? Google Jeff Daleacy and Dustin, google Robby Rasmeussen and Dustin, go to Flickr and search for Frank Fay. These are the teenage boys he’s dated in the last few years. An adult man that has nothing in common with people his own age has a problem. I would not call it cute. I would call it sad. Go to Duncan Roy’s blog and you can read a story about how Dustin treated Duncans teenage friend. Then tell me if your happy for yet another teenage boy with Dustin Lance Black.
We are talking about a 19 yr old. He was 18 yrs old when they met! We are not talking about a 25 yr old and a 45 yr old!!! Yes age is just a number but, 18 or 19 is still a teenager!!
There are already girls and boys with unusual genitalia using the correct restrooms. There always have been.
Those whose birth certificates show the correct gender identity. Even though they're Intersex, and the genitalia may look either more like the opposite sex's than the usual one.
Such children have been in US public schools ever since the US *had* public schools, so all this hysteria about not wanting to expose the precious darlings to something unusual lest they get the vapours is just that - hysterical nonsense.
This law will make it a bit easier for some of these kids though - not every school administrator is aware that Intersex kids exist,nor that the Earth isn't flat in some cases.
Joe, Tom Daley is an Adult. Enough Said.
Ok look people. When you are in the public eye. That eye sees everything. So when Dustin stood up on his soapbox, people took notice. Some people love him, some people were afraid of him. Now, say a video of him having unprotected sex comes out. Well, he looses credibility. Now, let's say he dates someone who was 18 when they sent him a note at a party saying "call me" with a wink drawn on it. Not to mention Dustin was at Tom's 19th birthday party. Imagine being 39 and being at your boyfriends 19th birthday party. Well, this adds more fuel for the fire of to those who say the LGBT community is wicked and depraved. It doesn't matter that Tom is of age. All they see is that he is a teenager. Now the people who fear him have a leg to stand on when they say he's a bad role model and those who support him are just as bad. Then the fact that Tom is doing all this on his own without Dustin by his side makes him look like a coward. Now, do you think All Americans are going to want this man speaking to their college kids? Do you think his credibility is still strong? No, it's not. This is what happens to public figures that go beyond what's believed as morally correct or doesn't meet the status of high value (just look at Woody Allen). You can't preach safe sex and then have pictures come out of you not having safe sex. You cant speak on gay adoption and then date a teenager. It just doesn't look good. With all this coming out, it makes him look bad and the people who support him and follow him look bad. That's how the outsiders see it.
Being a member of the LGBT community, the people who have such a big issue with their age difference piss me off. Our community strives for the acceptance of everyone, and continues to promote "Love is love", but yet we can't accept two people from our own community. And in regards to the sex tape... let's move on! Get over it. I support Tom & Dustin 100% with their relationship. And besides, age is just a number.
Tom Daley is a teenager. 'nuff said.
wow that comment the anti gay blogger made, his brain apparently thinks like that. that's where his mind goes. that's what he believes is probable. such a person is hiding something
Sorry, I don't see the need to change any rules. As I see it, no one is stopping these children from playing any sports or activities. Let's say they change the rules and the transgendered child is placed on the opposite sex team. The child's happy but what about the concern of the other children? Are they not allowed the same consideration?
I'm not Anti-gay. I'm a mother to two little girls. If one day they come to me with feelings that they maybe transgendered, I will do my best to help them feel comfortable about those feelings. But I would not try to make the school system place them on the boys team.
IDK maybe I'm over simplifying the issuse...
I am in complete agreement. People were just trying to clip Dustin Lance Black's feathers. They still are.
As the young trans person above elegantly pointed out, not all trans girls will want to play sports, or even have an advantage if they did. Me? I had, and still have absolutely no interest in sports. Plus, I was something like 5'5" until after my 17th birthday? And for the record, I have, no hyperbole whatsoever, nightmares about open restrooms or showers, and I pass fairly well.
I think at least part of the problem is the thought process that trans girls act like regular boys in makeup and cute shoes. That's not how it works.
As for potential abusers, yes, parents need to trust the school to administer properly. That a parent might actually...parent seems a novel idea as well.
What I have suggested is that on student records, not only should it list a students biological sex, but also " Gender Identity " any changes to a students record must go through the parents or legal guardian, this would help prevent the student, that on a whim, from walking into the opposite genders facilities.
Marcy, if you want "formal changes" before any steps be taken, then I would hope you would support state funding for therapist sessions for such diagnoses (which would likely be the minimal formal acknowledgment here). For if you'd like for formal and legal changes of gender of the kids, then by all means, support state funding for covering the cost of changing names and documentation, for hormone blockers and other HRT, and for GRS if it is deemed medically necessary.
But right now, trans kids barely have any ability to be themselves, and wanting them to have to go through so many processes, processes that their parents may not be ready to deal with yet, could just end up with a lot of sad kids whose parents end up holding them back because they're scared of making all those legal changes and paying all that money. I know many whose parents would have forced them to wait until they were 18, and that can be mentally and emotionally crippling, and can cause tremendous physical dysphoria.
Parents want to look out for their kids, I get that. But trans people are real, and most kids are able to wrap their heads around it. And historically, many school districts have had these policies put in place, and there hasn't been any harassment or anything from trans kids, and 'adventurous kids' who make false claims about being trans generally have their parents contacted first in order to go through a plan of action for accommodating their child. It's not such an easy 'prank' to pull, and considering that most people are aware of the negative social stigma around trans people, pretending to be one with any sort of commitment could be socially devastating.
Parents want to look after their kids. So parents of kids they feel might pull this prank? Talk to them about the consequences of what could happen, show them how trans people are treated by society, and what pain could be inflicted on them for 'innocently' pretending. For parents of shy and sensitive kids, know that most trans kids are scared of washrooms, and just want to get in and out as fast as possible with as little conflict as possible. The majority of trans kids suffer dysphoria over their genitals, and because of that, generally don't like anyone seeing them. Chances are, those sensitive, shy kids will only see the trans kids coming out of washroom stalls, washing their hands, and quickly departing the washroom or change room.
I think there's a vast misunderstanding of what trans people's experiences are like, and that causes some cis people to be afraid or concerned where they needn't be.
This law is totally incomprehensible to parents of inquisitive, adventurous teens who of course are going to game the system! To parents of shy and sensitive teens, the law must be frightening at best; and I would wager these parents are looking for ways of taking their kids out of the public school system as we speak. I believe parent of transgender kids and the kids themselves will need to live with that reality. Perhaps a remedy to the confusion this law will surely bring to all might be to amend the law to require a formal and legal gender identity change before any changes in school accommodations are mandated.
Thanks for your thoughtful and intelligent response. Perhaps the
concerns that I raised are more theoretical than real. It is likely that the
new law will go into effect on January 1 and then the reality of how the law
plays out over time will be evident. All the best and thanks again.
In my opinion, SF and LA polices are fair as well as less controversial but I think the new law is more fair. People make the argument about how there will be more of an advantage for trans girls but honestly there are so few transgender people (let alone female transgender student athletes and who is to say they will even be an advantage? contrary to the popular belief, not all trans girls are 6ft tall) that it would just be like the chances (or probably even less) of having a biological girl who happens to be 6ft. Also, I highly doubt that a transgender student, even if it's available to them, would choose to shower with cisgender (not trans) people. Maybe that's just my personal opinion but I know I would never.
Do you think the new law is fair? (Please see my comments below).
Tannit, it would be ridiculous if a student would have to pass some test of some sort to prove they are transgender. Coming out as transgender to your school is a huge freaking step. No one is going to come out as trans and not be serious about. If incidentally this were to happen, it would be obvious to whether or not it is a prank and we need to trust our school's judgement. This is coming from a transgender student in high school currently.
Tannit, thanks for your thoughts. I think both San Francisco and Los Angeles currently have
a fair balance. That is, if a person consistently expresses a gender preference and acts/dresses
etc. in accordance with that expression then the transgender rule applies.
However, I am very interested in your thoughts on the use of showering facilities and playing on
sports teams. Currently, SF and LA rules state that the school will make an accommodations for
locker rooms/showers but not guarantee use of gender identified locker/ shower. With respect to sports
teams, SF/LA allow transgender participation on case by case basis. Do you think the SF/LA rule t is fair --
or do you believe the new law which states the trans person has the right to use the shower and play on the sports team
of the gender identified is more fair. Thanks.
Being transgender myself, I see the law as a bad one that has no apparent rules. In my view, if a student has those feeleings and want to live as the other gender.... then they should see a counselor and be verified that one is transgender. To just have a student say, "I'm female inside" is not a valid in my book or view. I wouldn't want someone to just say "Oh, I'm transgender" without something to back it up with.
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