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Obama: I used to say 47 million uninsured. Now, it's 30 million.

By: Byron York
Chief Political Correspondent
09/09/09 7:18 PM PDT

In his speech tonight, the president introduced a new number in the health care debate. Remember all those statements from Democrats, including Barack Obama himself, that 47 million Americans are without health insurance? That's no longer the operative number. "There are now more than thirty million American citizens who cannot get coverage," the president said in tonight's speech.

But on August 10, at a town hall meeting, Obama referred to the "46, 47 million people without health insurance in our country…" And on July 23, he said, "This is not just about the 47 million Americans who don't have any health insurance at all…"

What's the difference? Obama appears to be choosing his words carefully. There is a difference between Americans who "cannot get coverage" and Americans who "don't have any health insurance at all." The interesting question is why Obama has chosen to downgrade the number from 47 million to 30 million. Look for Democrats to begin using the new figure in making the case for Obamacare.
 

UPDATE:

So why did Obama make the change? The first possibility is the difference between people who "don't have any health insurance" and people who "cannot get coverage." Millions of Americans who can afford health insurance choose not to have it, many of them because they are young, healthy and unlikely to need it. The second difference in Obama's phrasing is between "people without health insurance," in his old phrasing, and "American citizens" without coverage, as he said in last night's speech. Was Obama, faced with the (accurate) charge that the current Democratic health care proposals have no enforcement mechanism to prevent people in the United States illegally from receiving government-supported coverage, excluding non-citizens from his total?

The Associated Press goes with the first explanation, reporting that Obama's new figure comes from a new study of the issue:

The new number is based on an analysis by the Kaiser Commission on Medicaid and the Uninsured, which concluded that about two-thirds of Americans without insurance are poor or near poor. "These individuals are less likely to be offered employer-sponsored coverage or to be able to afford to purchase their own coverage," the report said. By using the new figure, Obama avoids criticism that he is including individuals, particularly healthy young people, who choose not to obtain health insurance.

Perhaps that's the whole explanation. On the other hand, if Obama was excluding people in this country illegally, the numbers don't seem to match up. No one has claimed that there are 17 million illegal aliens in the United States without health insurance, and there are very few people who estimate that there are 17 million illegal aliens in this country at all.

It seems likely Obama was trying to combine these various concerns and came up with the rounded number of 30 million "American citizens who cannot get coverage." But hopefully the White House will release a more detailed explanation today.
 




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Rachelfriend

Sep 9, 2009

Sounds like a few million illegal immigrants were just kicked to the curb.

 

Sep 9, 2009

Don't kid yourself-the whole reason for this "reform" is to cover Illegal aliens. The corrupt congress created the problem by allowing them to flood the country , raise health care costs and now we are being made to pay for their abandonment of their job to defend this country. Knowing they caused the problem makes their efforts all the more egregious!!!

 

russ in north carolina

Sep 9, 2009

If Obama was smart he would huddle with the Republicans and hammer out a health insurance bill that would get a majority of Republican votes. Democrats would be livid but they would not dare kill it. Fortunately (or unfortunately) Obama is not smart.

 

James

Sep 9, 2009

Obama adjusted his uninsured estimate to conform with the news that the USA has merely 50 states; not 57. You must admit, the guy is a genius.

 

looking closely

Sep 9, 2009

Don't forget about the millions of Americans who can afford health insurance, but simply choose not to purchase it. Most of these are young healthy people.

Under some of these proposals, these individuals would be forced to buy health insurance or pay a penalty for not doing so (mainly to subsidize the sick).

 

Tom in Oregon

Sep 9, 2009

How can the number of people without insurance be shrinking? I thought that 15,000 people were losing their coverage EVERY DAY!

 

Rachelfriend

Sep 9, 2009

Of course, the illegal immigrants kicked to the curb tonight will be right back in the mix once "something" is passed. No one who actually pays attention is being fooled by our President. Health care reform that requires employers to cover all employees, or requires all employees to carry coverage, necessarily includes illegal immigrants.

 

zfredz

Sep 9, 2009

Amazing! In the nearly eight months without Obamacare 13 million of the uninsured got covered.

 

Stating the obvious

Sep 9, 2009

Looks to me that the problem is 1/3 better and it didn't require a govt takeover of healthcare to do it. Let's try the same approach for the remainder.

 

paolot61

Sep 9, 2009

Geez, at this rate, reducing by 15 million every 6-8 weeks with out changing any thing - everyone should have insurance by Christmas and we can drop this whole Health care thing now! Cool!

 

DWPittelli

Sep 9, 2009

I understand that about a third of the 46 million "uninsured" were eligible for Medicaid, but hadn't bothered to sign up, either because they were healthy, or because they could get free care in the emergency room or various clinics anyway. So just eliminating those would get us down to about 30 million.

 

mattbman

Sep 9, 2009

I find it interesting that this difference is 17 million, the exact same number of people the CBO indicates will still be uninsured after 10 years of this plan. I am uninsured by choice, because it costs too much. I'm young, I'm healthy, and I am taking that risk, but considering this plan will drastically increase costs, I don't think that number of people isn't going to go down at all.

 

jeannebab@comcast.net

Sep 9, 2009

I think you've got it. It's the Medicaid/Schip-eligible people...he took them out of the "cannot get coverage" number.

Also, perhaps added in those who can afford insurance, but choose not to buy it.

 

Mike M

Sep 9, 2009

All of these figures come from Census phone interview surveys. Apparently some 12-15 million people are entitled to either Medicaid or SCHIP, but say they are not enrolled. (no doubt some are illegal aliens who are afraid of government, or their anchor babies). But if these people do become seriously ill and go to the hospital, the first thing that hospital does is enroll them. So they are not really without insurance, and Obama's proposal will do nothing to change their status. Its possible his new estimate is a more honest description of the actual numbers of uninsured. By the way Keith Hennesey says of those who say they do not have medicaid, about 1/2 actually ARE enrolled. KH claims the 46 million figure counts these 5-6 million among the uninsured

 

Reason

Sep 9, 2009

47 or 30, does it really matter? In fact, you'd think the right would be happier with the smaller figure, as it would make the program less expensive.

 

bc3

Sep 9, 2009

Reason -

It matters a lot. How are we to believe Obama's financial projections on ObamaCare when the number shifts up or down by 36%.

Remember he was two TRILLION off on his deficit projections.

Better yet - why should we believe Obama on anything?

 

Robert

Sep 9, 2009

Just another example of the credibility of President Obama. Without trust you have nothing.

 

Benjamin

Sep 9, 2009

In only six months Obama's ten year deficit projections increased by 28%, from $7108 billion to $9100 billion. Obama also said that if we didn't pass the “stimulus” bill RIGHT NOW! we'd have 9% unemployment by sometime in 2010 but after passing the “stimulus” bill we now have 9.7% unemployment in 2009. So tell me, why should I believe or trust anything Obama says? Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

 

rflynn@gci.net

Sep 9, 2009

Well if the previous Messiah could multiply loaves and fishes it's no wonder this one can't divide the uninsured simply by jabbering. Hopefully though he hasn't yet learned the trick of raising his Health Care Plan from the dead ala Lazerus.

 

Guy Jones

Sep 9, 2009

Polls consistently reveal that the vast majority of Americans are satisfied with their health insurance, even while acknowledging the need for some element of reform and room for improvement. So, to upend the system in such a sweeping manner, as the Kafkaesque and ill-conceived mess of legislative drafting known as H.R. 3200 surely does, for the sake of a small number of citizens, is pure insanity.

 

Neo

Sep 9, 2009

I'll take Curtain #3

 

Juvenal

Sep 9, 2009

I worry that any politician who is never consistent on any fact, figure or policy position and who hasn't been completely reduced to a laughing stock in six months is NEVER going to be discredited. There is still roughly 50% of the population out there that doesn't care what he says.

And yet everybody is wetting himself right now over Joe Wilson, who was just pointing out what's glaringly obvious to everyone.

 

Gary

Sep 9, 2009

e lowered the number because people have started pointing out that if he intends to cover 46-47 million people, then that means he is going to be covering llegal aliens. He has stated recently that his plan will not cover illegal aliens so it can not be extending coverage to 47 million people.

 

Terry Ott

Sep 9, 2009

I can account for most of the the other 17 million who, as it turns out, DO get medical care. They were in emergency room waiting areas the last 3 times my family members were unfortunate enough to have to visit in the middle of the night. One time my wife was on a cot in the corridor from about 10 pm until roughly 4 am. By the time she got in, her gall bladder had healed, I think. But they removed it anyway, after she was sent for a full cardio workup "because Medicare will pay for it; might as well do it, just to see ....".

The queue reminded me of waiting for a ride at Disneyworld on Easter break, except those folks were actually paying.

 

ggordon

Sep 10, 2009

I just woke up from a year long sleep. What's this about the government wanting to be in charge of my and the country's healthcare and insurance? Who put those people in charge? What happened while I was asleep - a bunch of socialists or marxists get elected???

 

JIm Treacher

Sep 10, 2009

I wonder if Obama thinks he still looks 30. 47, 30, whatever, right?

 

Winston

Sep 10, 2009

As long as we are going to break even on the Government Option by saving all the money the government has ever wasted on Medicare (if these inefficiencies can be fixed why weren't they fixed already) why not knock this thing out of the park and make a profit?Why not take a page from State-House Dems around the country and start a National Health Care Public Lottery. All doctor's offices front desk staff will be trained by 7-11 employees on the use of lottery terminals. All patients will be required to buy one 50 cent ticket every time they visit the doctor's office (tickets will be printed in English and Spanish). The government will match the 50-cents and buy another ticket for the patient if they agree to electronically sign a union card check document that will be entered into a database for their employer. When a majority of employees have signed, the SEIU will automatically unionize each place of employment.

 

TexRancher

Sep 10, 2009

A million here, a million there and you're talking some real numbers...Yeah, right... Democrats say there are 12 million ILLEGALS in the U.S., but that number is seven years old and the reports of how many have been coming across the border day in and day out show a million a year coming in. So the real number of ILLEGALS is somewhere around 20 million or more.
Of course Democrats don't like to let a little thing like FACTS get in their way....
Like ILLEGALS won't be getting healthcare with the new fraud bill called "healthcare"!

 

TexRancher

Sep 10, 2009

Ah yes... The folks here are reminding us of his numbers so I have to ask;
His age? 48 or is it 52 like he posted on his web page???

 

JamesFromMars

Sep 10, 2009

Oh I think it's still technically accurate. 47 million is "more than 30 million" we're just reducing accuracy a bit thats all. When people ask me my age now I"m just going to say "more than 30 years old!"

 

CathyS

Sep 10, 2009

He took out the people making more than $50k a year who can afford but choose not to purchase it. Illegals are still in the number.

 

Sectionhand

Sep 10, 2009

There's always been a problem with Liberal Arithmetic . It was a "carrying" error or something . In fact I think I saw a crib note or two fall out of his sleeve during the speech .

 

AThousandCuts

Sep 10, 2009

So we decreased our uninsured by 17 million people just by TALKING about the issue. Wow. Yes, let's completely wipe out the current system because of a "supposed" 10% failing.

The uninsured are so deathly afraid of gov't run health care that they're finally buying into private health insurance whether they think they need it or not. Next speech, it down to 15 million uninsured!

 

D Davis

Sep 10, 2009

I think the number is more sinister. In the estimates of who would be picked up with Obamacare still left about 16-18 million still uninsured. By changing this number down to 30 million, Obama covers everyone but those who can pay for the insurance but choose not to have it. Using the 30 million number allows Obama to be able to say that everyone who needs insurance but can't pay for it to be covered. It takes away the argument that spending nearly a trillion dollars over ten years and not covering everyone. That is the opening that put a wedge in Obama's plan. By dropping the number to 30 million, that wdge is gone.

 

Charles

Sep 10, 2009

The three analyses I have seen of the 47m number indicated that roughly 40% were either young or were in households with an income of above $75k and therefore presumably self-insuring; 20% were foreign nationals (legal or otherwise); 20% were eligible but not signed up for some other government program such as Medicare or SCHIP; and the final 20% were indigent and unable to afford insurance.

I would guess that he reduced the 47m number by stripping out the 20% that are foreign nationals and also by stripping out the 20% that are eligible for other programs. That would leave roughly 10m that can't afford insurance and 20m that are young risk takers or wealthy self-insurers. 30m in total.

Net is that the proposal is an attempt to address the insurance status of 10m people out of 310m.

 

Indiana Dave

Sep 10, 2009

I think he's lowering the number in order to make the program seem like less of an expansion of government and, therefore, less costly. He's still trying to get the camel's nose in the tent, which is his aim. He's just trying to make the camel's nose appear smaller.

 

Rob

Sep 10, 2009


And where is the "definition of 'is' is?"

I have a feeling that Socialism is the new 'blue dress'.

Don't believe the old numbers??
Got some fresh new numbers right here behind the emerald curtain.

 

Justin S

Sep 10, 2009

The downgrade is based on the U.S. Census numbers that 17 million uninsured make over $50,000 per year.

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=18125

 

cbinflux

Sep 10, 2009

No worries, AP / Yahoo! has BHO's back this morning, er, every morning

Number without health insurance at 46.3 million

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090910/ap_on_re_us/us_census_uninsured

 

Paul McGoran

Sep 10, 2009

Hey, if 17 million got covered from the beginning of summer until now, who needs a bill? Just keep bloviating until the rest of the rascals sign up.

 

gullyborg

Sep 10, 2009

So... Congress goes on vacation for a month, and the number of people without medical insurance drops by 37%. So, logically, if Congress stayed out of Washington for the rest of the year...

 

tucanofulano

Sep 10, 2009



Regarding BHO's 9/9/9/ speech:

The only person NOT lying was Joe Wilson.

Obama's view is that since he will grant Amnesty to all illegal aliens there will be no illegal aliens covered by his "plan". Obama is a deceitful lier on a par with the most sleezy used car salesperson.

 

John

Sep 10, 2009

You miss the obvious: If you were gonna try to stick taxpayers with a bill for the uninsured, do you think it makes sense to have it seem more expensive or less expensive?

 

phillyfanatic

Sep 10, 2009

Rasmussen today, has a real poll: 53% against Obama care, 44% for it. Take that CNN and MSNBC. Look, the entire speech was arrogant and the MSM and Dems wanted to use Wilson's honest blurt out as the issue, not the fact that Obama lied at least 5 times about a plan not even written except Waxman and Baucus which Obama apparently hasn't read!! BTW, I have given Joe a donation. Pray others do too. Decorum is not the issue. The end of our economy, liberties, and an Alinsky revolution for healthcare et al by a socialist pacifist naif in the WH is the issue.

 

cm3putter

Sep 10, 2009

The Pres didn't lie when he stated illegals would not be covered... if you'll recall, he stated last Spring that getting illegals amnesty was his next big commitment so therefore, after all illegals get a change of status to legals, then the health care package previously passed will cover them.

 

David S

Sep 10, 2009

The lower number seems calculated to assuage all (esp. seniors) who've done the basic math. By lowering the number of uninsured, you imply that the estimated(still bogus)cost won't be as great. We where going to foot the bill for 1 out of every 7 people, now its 'just' 1 out of every 10

 

depaz

Sep 10, 2009

What do you want to bet that those who choose not to get health insurance because of the cost all have the latest cell phone and the best IPOD money can buy? Seems to me that some priorities need an adjustment. . . .

 

DSchoen

Sep 10, 2009

Tom in Oregon
Sep 9, 2009
How can the number of people without insurance be shrinking? I thought that 15,000 people were losing their coverage EVERY DAY!

That is true 15K do lose their coverage was it every day!
But it is also true that 15K Americans DIE every day!

He didn’t bring that up cuz some unedumakated bumpkin might point out dead people don’t need insurance.

As for the 17 million, he has dropped the folks that make a lot of money.

The 17 million are families who choose not to invest in their family’s healthcare.

According Census, there are 8.3 million uninsured people who make between $50,000 and $74,999 per year and 8.74 million who make more than $75,000 a year.

 

DSchoen

Sep 10, 2009

Reason
Sep 10, 2009
“47 or 30, does it really matter? In fact, you'd think the right would be happier with the smaller figure, as it would make the program less expensive”
Errrrrrrrrrrr wrong!

By dropping the number Obama admits he has been lying about his FACTS.

Ya can’t change the fact that Obama changed his facts!

While complaining about people putting out misleading and false info!

That people gots a name his initials are BHO!

 

CKA in Red State USA

Sep 10, 2009

Obama sounds like the Sen. John Iselin character from the 1962 movie "The Manchurian Candidate."

Iselin was some nimrod puppet that was going to be used by the Communist Party to take over the presidential nomination of his party (theoretically, the Democrat).

Iselin stated in a Congressional hearing, as an attendee, not committee member that there were X number of card-carrying Communists in the government.

But even outside the hearing room, he changed the number.

He did so several other times.

Just like Obama has apparently begun to do now.

But, then, he is the Manchurian Candidate, isn't he?

 

Dollface

Sep 10, 2009

Isn't Obama great? At 15 million or so a speech, 2 more speeches and the un-insured "problem" is gone. All hail our Great Leader.

 

Rachelfriend

Sep 10, 2009

The idea that the White House got "new information" from the Kaiser Commision and that's what's caused them to change the figure to 30 million is a strange one. The U.S. Census Bureau's Current Population Report (released in 2008) made it clear how the numbers break down:
http://www.census.gov/prod/2008pubs/p60-235.pdf

The information regarding who's included in the "46 million Americans uninsured" figure has been known for a couple of years. WHY has the media waited until NOW to look at this false figure?

 

JeffC

Sep 11, 2009

Any reporter think of asking the president or his spokesman Gibbs for an explanation, or would that risk them doing the unthinkable to reporters - embarrassing Obama?

 

Grumpy Older Person

Sep 11, 2009

CKA in Red State USA, you cited the correct movie, but as we all know, BHS (Barry Hussein Soetoro) is the *Kenyan/Indonesian* candidate.

Other than that, 'keep on keepin' on!"

DeeDee

 

Just Askin

Sep 12, 2009

Why are the very people who believed every thing that came out of Bush and Chaney's mouth for years, now refusing to believe anything from this president? This does not compute.

 

TexRancher

Sep 14, 2009

Well we still have 20 million illegals in the U.S. so this shakes out to be 10 million uninsured AMERICANS......
If Napolitano would only do her job instead of investigating border patrol agents who ARE doing theirs we can get the number down to 10 million.
See how easy that was to fix and we can do it without a massive new government program and agency WE DON'T NEED!
Enforcement deporation = Massive savings on healthcare! If Obozo needs any more of my help, he can just call me; I'm sure I'm on his list!

 

JSmith

Sep 15, 2009

That's why you shouldn't lie, kids -- it's hard to keep the facts straight once you start.

 

Helene

Sep 23, 2009

It's a shame this post has been "flagged" for its contents on bookmarking sites. A lot of that is happening lately.

Anyway, Obama cannot give actual figures because he cannot decide who will be covered or not. First he wanted everyone covered, including illegal aliens and then only legal people here and then only U.S. citizens. He will probably give amnesty to all illegal aliens anyway and open the borders to whoever.

He should also think about writing down all his lies in a big fat fiction novel or put them on a Blackberry with lots of memory.

Helene
http://www.freespeechpolitics.us (read before it too is shut down by the powers almighty)

 

Oct 14, 2009

obama is making this country hell.

 

Loren S.

Oct 28, 2009

Y'all go easy on Jim. He's having a hard time dealing with reality. Happens a lot these days to people on the Left. It's always a good sign when they retreat to the "race" canard. It means they've lost the argument and don't know what else to say.
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