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Foreign meddling behind Nobel Peace Prize ignored by Obama

By: J.P. Freire
Associate Commentary Editor
10/12/09 10:39 PM PDT

 

New York Times columnist Ross Douthat notes that President Obama missed an opportunity to reject the Nobel Prize and instead put to rout the high expectations of his office. The implications of his decision to accept it, Douthat continues, will reverberate in every policy he pursues.

"Now he’s the Nobel laureate who has to choose between escalating a counterinsurgency in Afghanistan or ceding ground to a theocratic mafia. He’s the Nobel laureate who’ll either have to authorize military strikes against Iran or construct an effective, cold-war-style deterrence system for the Middle East. He’s the Nobel laureate who’ll probably fail, like every U.S. president before him, to prod Israelis and Palestinians toward a comprehensive settlement."

Every criticism of Obama's award includes similar concerns about "how it will look now." Is it okay that a foreign committee has granted an honor that can create such a tension, or grant a sort of greater peacemaking legitimacy, as Douthat suggests? The Times editorial page takes the point a step further, asserting with confidence that the prize is a repudiation of George W. Bush's foreign policy.

It looks like the Times editorial page is endorsing the very definition of foreign meddling in domestic affairs. Foreigners validating and then rewarding certain approaches while repudiating others is not appropriate, regardless of whether it's coming from six nations or six Norwegians.

So what is the propriety of a sitting wartime president accepting an award from a foreign committee that is merely an expression of repudiation for the behavior of his predecessor? It is especially concerning because undoubtedly, Obama's partisans will use the credential to grant him greater legitimacy in foreign policy among his own people.

That's an open question. But our democratic system already provides an outlet for such a repudiation, and it is the only kind that matters because it is the will of the American people. All others should be given the Giuliani treatment: Thanks, but no thanks.

This strikes at the heart of what I posted on Friday. The purpose of the discussion of the emoluments clause was to look at the constitutionality of Obama's acceptance of the prize. Even Teddy Roosevelt made it clear there was a discomfort with the legitimating power of the Nobel committee; Roosevelt refused to accept the prize until his term was up, and even then, he jumped through hoops to work with Congress to determine the use of the prize money.

In The Heritage Guide to the Constitution, Robert Delahunty makes the point that it wasn't merely the cash or a title of nobility that had the Framers worried:

"The delegates at the Constitutional Convention specifically designed the clause as an antidote to potentially corrupting foreign practices of a kind that the Framers had observed during the period of the Confederation. ... Wary, however, of the possibility that such gestures might unduly influence American officials in their dealings with foreign states, the Framers institutionalized the practice of requiring the consent of Congress before one could accept "any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from ... [a] foreign State."

By coincidence, Federalist Paper No. 22 uses Sweden as an example of the ability of foreign powers to meddle in domestic affairs. (At various points, Sweden and Norway have shared power, with Sweden running foreign affairs while Norway ran domestic affairs.) Alexander Hamilton writes: "And in Sweden the parties were alternately bought by France and England in so barefaced and notorious a manner that it excited universal disgust in the nation, and was a principal cause that the most limited monarch in Europe, in a single day, without tumult, violence, or opposition, became one of the most absolute and uncontrolled."

No one is suggesting that Obama will start favoring American fish trading with Norway. But as Ryan Sager notes in his post, gifts tend to inspire some level of reciprocity, whether they be from an NGO or a government-appointed committee. If Obama is going to be tempted to consider peace, let it be because it is in American interests, not because he wants to hold true to Nobel's ideals.

Given that most ethics rules governing Congress are as much about avoiding the appearance of impropriety as they are about actual impropriety, one would think this would be a slam dunk, at least politically, for Obama to simply say, "No."

Update: Here's George Washington on the issue in his farewell address:

As avenues to foreign influence in innumerable ways, such attachments are particularly alarming to the truly enlightened and independent patriot. How many opportunities do they afford to tamper with domestic factions, to practice the arts of seduction, to mislead public opinion, to influence or awe the public councils. ...

Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government.

Update 2: This from Jonathan Freedland is very smart. He looks at the domestic politics and finds, shockingly, that yes, there do seem to be perfectly valid political reasons for this award. Look: 

...[O]n foreign policy there is a Norwegian consensus. It favors multilateralism, yearns for nuclear disarmament, and believes in international institutions, revering the United Nations above all. This is not sandal-wearing Scandinavian altruism but hardheaded self-interest. Norway is a small nation that sits outside the European Union. Its best shot at influence is through bodies such as the UN. Plenty in Oslo speculate that Obama’s performance in New York last month—chairing the Security Council and using that body as the vehicle for his disarmament ambitions—was what clinched it for the Nobel judges.

And then this:

Even if that is fanciful, and even if the initial response has been unfriendly, the Nobel panel might yet see fruit for their labors. They stress that the Peace Prize is not only a reward for past effort, but also performs an exhortatory function. “We felt it was right to strengthen him as much as we can,” Geir Lundestad, the secretary of the Norwegian Nobel Committee, told Gwaldys Fouche, the Guardian’s correspondent in Oslo.

Obama himself picked up on this notion when he noted that the honor has “been used as a means to give momentum to a set of causes.” They may have tied his hands—making it harder for the President, as a Peace Prize laureate, to take military action against Iran or escalate in Afghanistan. They will hope, at the very least, to bind him into further action on nuclear arms and to keep faith with the UN.

In their own words, this is precisely the sort of lobbying the Framers were concerned about.




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ggordon

Oct 12, 2009


...and it doesn't stop with the Nobel. Another obvious point is the influence of the UN - with the speeches Obama gave catering to foriegn influences and the reciprocity. He has thrown many allies or now former allies under the bus.
Afterward, there were the words of the "climate change" elitists - saying they would more than embarrass Obama if he did not bring cap and trade to fruition by December. He so badly wants to be one of them.
But slas.. Obama is not a "truly enlightened and independent patriot" - in fact he is not un-American, he is ANTI-AMERICAN.

 

Guy Jones

Oct 12, 2009

This was the reason I thought Pres. Obama should have rejected the Nobel. Not just because of the patently obvious fact that he hasn't accomplished any substantive foreign policy achievement, but also because it hampers his ability to conduct foreign policy going forward. The prez has two major military engagements on his plate, and the prudent course of action in Afghanistan may be precisely that which is not altogether in sync with the way the world expects a peace laureate to act -- to wit, sending 40,000 troops there to bolster the mission. Now, I would worry less about this if I was convinced that Obama was a person who was capable of thumbing his nose at world opinion. Unfortunately, all of his apologist rhetoric and actions indicate that he is unable to do that.

 

Guy Jones

Oct 12, 2009

I wanted to point out that there's an additional irony in awarding the Nobel peace prize to a president who was so feckless and self-centered, he didn't want to bring up the issue of Iran's newly revealed enrichment plant at a U.N. Security Council meeting that he was chairing a couple of weeks ago, because he thought it would draw attention away from his purely symbolic nuclear disarmament resolution!! Nicholas Sarkozy was astounded at Obama's naivite and hypocrisy and called him out on it at the meeting. Sarkozy stated in so many words -- "You talk about disarmament, yet right in front of us are two states that are developing nuclear weapons!" Then Obama goes to the G20 in Pittsburgh and castigates Iran at an economic summit instead of the appropriate forum that was the security council!! It's an astounding example of the egotism and indecisiveness of this president.

 

If I had a Pizza...

Oct 13, 2009

If he (Fearless Leader)has a spine and a functioning brain then he can juggle the warrior /poet dichotomy easily.JFK loved to quote Frost but had the stones to authorize the insertion of White Star teams.

 

Dick Nixon

Oct 13, 2009

The above post is referring to "Operation White Star" -- a U.S. mission to Laos from 1959-1962 whose purpose was to train native tribes and the Royal Laotian Army to fight a Communist insurgency. I had to look it up, so I'm putting it here for those who may not get the reference.

 

Saladin

Oct 13, 2009

@If I had a pizza -- interesting post. Of course, Obama's conduct thus far in his presidency indicates that he is far more comfortable acting as an orator than he is at making military decisions. Obama can act decisive and tough with a band of teenage Somali pirates, but when his hand-picked commander is practically begging for more troops for the Afghanistan mission, he deliberates to the point of absurdity. Excessive deliberation ends up looking like indecisiveness and equivocation. On the campaign trail, he stated that he would listen to his military commanders. Now he appears to be caving in to the left-wing of the Democratic party.

 

Mike Konkel

Oct 13, 2009

The Nobel peace prize committee has merely blown any credibility anyone with morals might attribute to them but by and large, it is a useless organization with an ugly agenda...make the rest of the world as meaningless as Norway.

 

Carolynn Krueger

Oct 13, 2009

I feel this Nobel has put our Nation in jepordy. Obama will act in the interest of the EU and the UN before he acts in our best interest.

This should terrify all Americans.

 

Denis Keohane

Oct 13, 2009

Few have done, as you have, connected in any way President Obama's performance at the UN Security Council and the Nobel, but I think there is a possibility of a more solid linkage. Remember how angry Sarkozy was that rather than go after Iran for the Qom facility, Obama wanted his appearance there to be a shining moment for the UN, world peace, disarmament and hope and change. I believe Obama may well have known he was in the running at least with the Norgegians and that doing as he did (downplaying Iran in favor of mushy Obamospherics) would give the committee some cover.

 

AlaskanInfidel

Oct 13, 2009

He has accomplished a great deal in his short time as President. None of it good.
His trashing of America in general has pleased the Nobel Gods and they have bestowed upon the one the mantle of "Peacemaker". He must now live up to that image. How can one possibly do that whilst sending soldiers to war, to die, to kill?
He is doing as any good Communist in his position would do...as much damage as possible before he's found out.
If only Keyes had gotten the word out a little better, but beyond that...the MSM for the most part, is guilty of treason. They lied by omission when it came to the Won, and lied to the detriment of all that opposed him and still do.
They betrayed the Republic and the people thereof long ago. Would the average citizen have voted for him knowing that both his parents were Communists? They might at least have started to pay attention.

Obama is a liar and Truth is
killing his Marxist agenda.

 

westerncanadian

Oct 13, 2009

Heck - any ice hockey referee preserves more peace in a single game than Obama will do in his entire career.

Why didn't the hockey refs get the Nobel? You guessed it - foreign meddling! Norwegian ice hockey teams are always getting hosed by Canadian and US teams. This was "The Revenge of the Scans."

 

Terry Hughes

Oct 13, 2009

Both houses of this overwhelmingly Democratic Congress would vote overwhelmingly to allow Obama to accept the Nobel Peace Prize if the issue were put to them.

 

MissButterfly

Oct 13, 2009

This is an excellent article!
The first thing that came to my mind when I heard BO had won the prize was that they were rewarding him for previous pacifist positions he'd taken, and trying to keep him on that path.
If he hadn't been trying to make up his mind whether or not to send more troops to Afghanistan, this award may never have been given to him - there would have been no need.
If he had any propriety, he would have declined the Nobel Peace Prize - his ego wouldn't let him turn it down to the detriment of the American people.

 

mrt

Oct 13, 2009

Wouldn't Chairing the U.N. council fall under this same passage?

 

Joe S.

Oct 13, 2009

My understanding is that Pres. Obama has stated that he will give the monetary prize to charity. I thought that all gifts of this type were not the property of the president and that they had to be turned over to the government. What control does he have over where or to which charity the prize will go? It should go toward his escalating deficit.

 

sevona

Oct 13, 2009

Did Obama have to consent to his nomination for the NPP? If he did, then how long ago did he know he was in the running? Furthermore, how many of his actions and speeches were, in effect, him campaigning to win the NPP?

 

tryptic

Oct 14, 2009

Heads of state confer awards, medals and honors on each other all the time ... and the U.S. is no exception (e.g., the Medal of Freedom).

As much as we may disdain the clumsy and obvious attempts of the Norwegians to meddle in our affairs, and use the award as a goad to keep President Obama firmly entrenched in the socialist-internationalist-pacifist camp, it is not a violation of the Constitution to receive an award for conduct (though one could make the case that accepting the award money would violate this clause, and probably other federal statutes, not even Barack's most vehement opponents expect him actually to keep the money).

Having said that, all your arguments are good reasons to vote against the Big O in 2012 ... ultimately the voters will determine if he is fit to stay in office.

 

Carl Kingston

Oct 14, 2009

Instead of calling it the the `Nobel Peace Prize`, they should change the name to the `Norwegian Politics Prize´, given the person or group who most reflects the political opinion of the Norwegian parliament.

Since the Nobel Peace Prize committee is made up of members of the Norwegian Parliament, the Prize has become Norway`s way of becoming a voice in world politics.

Norway is a far out of the way, small country in the world and their politicians must feel slighted for no one listening to their lofty, intellectual Nordic liberal wisdom. Hence they use the Nobel Peace Prize as their only way to inject their politics onto the world stage.

 

Liberal Texan

Oct 14, 2009

Hmm, if gifts = influence, then perhaps we ought to return the Statue of Liberty to France?

Obama may not have deserved the NPP, but he certainly does deserve time to reverse the tyrannical and unilateral disaster of the previous administration, which it seems most of you long for.

How much further into the ground must our country be driven before you realize, folks, that the Bush Administration has destroyed this country, created nothing but chaos in Iraq and failed to get Osama Bin Laden for his part in 9/11?

Time to get your heads out of your collective asses and stop pretending like Bush did us any favors - and stop blaming Obama for the state we're in now.

 

Cheryl

Oct 14, 2009

This has interesting implications!

 

Concerned American

Oct 14, 2009

Liberal Texan (previous post),

No one is blaming Obama for the state of our country. America has given our newly elected president a lot of grace, instilled an abundance of hope and prayed for CHANGE (which he promised throughout his campaign-and has NOT delivered). Why is that you (a proud “Liberal”) and many of your kind ignore the incessant lies, failed promises and unethical practices of Obama by continually referencing the previous administration?

You ask “how much further into the ground must our country be driven…” Our country is well on its way to total demise in the hands of Obama! The man lacks character, integrity and mostly truth; he has lied to Americans about everything, from taxes to healthcare to the war and so on.

You know how can tell when Obama is lying? When he opens his mouth!!!

 

spiderman

Oct 14, 2009

I couldn't have said it better myself! Obama LIES!

 

Free Thinker

Oct 14, 2009

Please take a piece of advice from a friend, Liberal Texan, and try to respond to the topic at hand instead of irrationally repeating the party line of the ignorant voter. Just to clarify a few of your misconceptions -- the Statue of Liberty was not an award (and definitely not a pre-accomplishment award) bestowed upon the President of the United States. George W. Bush did not run for office in 2008, and his name had not been mentioned in any of the posts until yours. The only post author whose head is located in an ass is your own.

As we all learned in elementary school, awards are given to those who earn them. One should not receive an award for simply existing.

 

brandon

Oct 14, 2009

Why does former president Bush ALWAYS become the fall guy for our current failing president? The votes were cast, Obama was elected and change was promised. Obama has not lived up to the expectations or promises -- this has NOTHING to do with Bush. Get your head out of your ass!

 

lonestarlizard

Oct 14, 2009

Liberal Texan it is you that should return to France to learn some history. The statue was a gift to America, not to a president, kool-aid sipper. The Nobel prize is not a gift as such, it is an award with monetary attachment. The King-messiah neither deserved it nor should have accepted it. But his arrogance and marxist self aggrandizing personality won't allow him to deny adding the political kudo to his "I love me" wall collection. How's that hope and change thing working out?

 

Rachid

Oct 15, 2009

Peace is not beneficial for all people. http://inspirationwriting.blogspot.com/2009/10/do-all-people-seek-peace.html

 

Ish Kabibble

Oct 15, 2009

I'm not sure Obama was entitled to it, but the effect it's had on the rightwing loonies is priceless!

 

Rambam

Oct 17, 2009

Obama hates what America was, and is; which is why he is working so hard to change everything. His wife hates America, his pastor hated America, his friends hate America. How this guy slipped through the crack is beyond me, but it is the fault of everyone who voted for him. Would John McCain be better, at least he loves America, that ought to be a prerequisite. Also to actually be born an American.

 

ChaosAgent

Oct 18, 2009

First, read a book. Then read the Constitution. Be responsible with knowledge, once you've obtained a grasp of the topic.
After all that, vote with your head using the information gained by learning. Then, hold your politicians accountable, as well as yourself for your decisions.
Finally, at that moment when it all comes together and you start to understand the many intricacies and delicate balance of our US government, may you comment with such useless dribble and misguided rhetoric.

 

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