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The City halts same-sex marriages

By: Brent Begin
Examiner Staff Writer
November 6, 2008

Angelina Barrintos, left, and her partner Brianna Reyes, wait outside the County Clerk's Office after showing up for their scheduled wedding date on Wednesday. The couple rescheduled their appointment for December despite being turned away due to the passage of Proposition 8. (Cindy Chew/The Examiner)

SAN FRANCISCO — Like thousands of couples before them, Brianna Reyes and Angelina Barrintos showed up in their wedding finery Wednesday to be married at San Francisco City Hall.

But instead of celebrating their nuptials, Reyes and Barrintos were turned away at the County Clerk’s Office. They were one of at least seven couples who showed up at City Hall on Wednesday expecting to be married, but who instead were met with apologies and the news The City was not issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

With unofficial election results showing Proposition 8, the constitutional ban on same-sex unions, passing with a slim majority, The City on Wednesday ordered a grinding halt to all same-sex marriages. “It doesn’t change anything about how we feel about each other,” Reyes said. “We just wanted to make it legal.”

Statewide, confusion reigned about the status of same-sex marriages. A spokeswoman for Secretary of State Debra Bowen said initiatives typically take effect the day after an election, although the results from Tuesday’s races will not be certified until Dec. 13. Still, Los Angeles County continued to issue licenses to same-sex couples, while others halted the practice immediately.

Three groups — including City Attorney Dennis Herrera — have already filed legal challenges to the proposition, but the measure’s passage also raises a question about the status of the 18,000 same-sex couples throughout the state who have already wed. City officials are waiting to clarify whether more than 5,000 same-sex couples who tied the knot in San Francisco between June 17 — a month after a state Supreme Court ruling legalized the unions — and Tuesday will have their unions nullified.

“I’m really sorry [the vote] came out the way it did,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein said Wednesday. “You don’t take rights away from people. To the best of my knowledge, it’s never been done.”

Mayor Gavin Newsom told reporters he isn’t going to order the clerk to issue licenses, as he did in 2004, putting San Francisco at the forefront of the issue. Still, he said he is proud of the work he’s done.

“The most extraordinary gift I’ve ever been afforded was being elected mayor of San Francisco and being given the privilege to stand up for people’s rights,” Newsom said.

Late Tuesday night, the backers of Prop. 8 sent out a message of hope and “healing among all, and a continued respect for the diverse views that have been expressed during this campaign.”

However, ProtectMarriage.com said they would fight the legal challenges and protect the will of the voters.

“The coalition that has worked so hard for the past year to enact Prop. 8 will vigorously defend the people’s decision against this unfortunate challenge by groups who, having lost in the court of public opinion, now turn to courts of law to pursue their agenda,” said the group’s chief legal counsel, Andrew Pugno.

bbegin@sfexaminer.com

Lawsuits follow passage of Prop. 8

After losing in the polls, The City filed a lawsuit Wednesday asking the state Supreme Court to overturn Proposition 8, which defines marriage as a union between one man and one woman.

It was one of three lawsuits filed the day after voters cast a shadow of uncertainty on the thousands of legal same-sex marriages that have occurred since June.

A ban on same-sex marriage is invalid because the very fundamentals of California’s highest law prohibit it, City Attorney Dennis Herrera argued.

The challenge, filed in state Supreme Court, argues that taking rights away from a “politically unpopular group” is a fundamental violation of the California Constitution’s equal protection clause, and requires a much higher threshold for passage than a simple majority vote.

“I’m very confident in the strength of our argument,” Herrera told The Examiner. “This is all in the context of marriage equality, but it means so much more than that. You can think of a whole host of other contexts where somebody could have their own rights stripped away by a majority vote.”

Backers of Prop. 8 vowed to continue fighting for the will of the voters, and some legal experts were doubtful that a constitutional amendment approved by a majority of voters could be challenged in court.

The court is very unlikely to overturn the will of the voters, said Ethan Lieb, a constitutional law professor at Hastings College of the Law.

“The only real legal battle you’ll see is over the question of retroactive effect,” Lieb said. “Will the tens of thousands of marriages already performed be invalidated?”

No, State Attorney General Jerry Brown said Wednesday.

“It is my belief that the courts will hold that these same-sex marriages entered into are valid,” Brown said in a statement.

Herrera won’t fight the court battle alone. Los Angeles and Santa Clara counties have joined the challenge with San Francisco.

In addition, a similar challenge was filed by the American Civil Liberties Union, Lambda Legal and the National Center for Lesbian Rights. The petition goes a step further in asking for an immediate stay of the proposition, allowing couples to wed as the battle continues in court. The third suit was filed in Los Angeles on behalf of a married lesbian couple. — Brent Begin

The City’s marriages by month

State same-sex marriages began June 17.
 
   Same sex  Opposite sex

June 17-30

1,076

548

July

867

563

August

764

674

September

876

796

October to Nov. 3 

1,408

670

Total

4,991

3,251


 Source: County Clerk’s Office



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Confused

Nov 5, 2008

I'm confused about all this. So, Prop 8 passes and now they want to take it to court? What happned to our democracy?

 

Confused

Nov 5, 2008

I'm confused about all this. So, Prop 8 passes and now they want to take it to court? What happned to our democracy?

 

slippery slope

Nov 5, 2008

What happens when someone wants to marry his or her own same sex sibling? There would be no risk of birth defects which is the historical rational against incestuous relationships. The same would be between a man and his adpoted sister. Are we not categorically denying them what is now called the right to marry?

 

Peter Lam

Nov 5, 2008

I don't get it. Are we ignoring the democratic system of election and the voices of the Californians? The supreme court does not have the right to disregard the will of millions of Californians!

 

Peter Lam

Nov 5, 2008

I don't get it. Are we ignoring the democratic system of election and the voices of the Californians? The supreme court does not have the right to disregard the will of millions of Californians!

 

Dismas

Nov 5, 2008

Fellow christians, we have been granted a temporary reprieve from GOD on high. We would do well to gird our loins and put on the full armor of GOD. The forces of the evil one will now strike out in increased spiritual attacks. Revelation 2-12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. Glory to GOD in the highest! Amen.

 

free2marry

Nov 5, 2008

All you christian people are a disgrace to everything that is human. You people are sick and disgusting. This is a civil rights issue and people should be free to marry whoever they want. Way to teach your kids a lesson about loving everyone.

 

Joel M

Nov 5, 2008

Why even have a vote if the disgruntled are always going to waste time and money to fight the will of the people. Isn't there some sort of process that takes place before an initiative is on a ballot to prevent sore losers from threatening to sue. Every other state conforms to the will of the people but not California and of course San Francisco. Let it go Herrera the people have spoken again and you should be a man about it and accept it.

 

anonymous

Nov 5, 2008

I didnt get the right to vote against straight couples marrying. There are many straight couples who parent their children well. There are many who do not, may I vote to remove their right to be married, of course not. And yes the CA supreme court has the right to overturn Prop 8. The CA supreme court had set a legal precedent before the Prop 8 existed. Lower courts cannot overturn the supreme court, only higher courts in the National judicial system may do so. Therefore Prop 8, which is fashioned to take away an individual's rights, is illegal; let alone, hateful, divise and bigoted.

 

anonymous

Nov 5, 2008

I didnt get the right to vote against straight couples marrying. There are many straight couples who parent their children well. There are many who do not, may I vote to remove their right to be married, of course not. And yes the CA supreme court has the right to overturn Prop 8. The CA supreme court had set a legal precedent before the Prop 8 existed. Lower courts cannot overturn the supreme court, only higher courts in the National judicial system may do so. Therefore Prop 8, which is fashioned to take away an individual's rights, is illegal; let alone, hateful, divise and bigoted.

 

equalrights

Nov 5, 2008

Democracy does not mean merely that "majority rules." "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.-- Prop 8 violates this basic right of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. It violates the very foundation of democracy.

 

Jim

Nov 5, 2008

Democracy is a method of all individuals being treated fairly - unfortunately in this situation all individuals are not being treated fairly and equally therefore, it will be for the courts to decide.

 

not confused

Nov 5, 2008

marriage is one man, one woman, and tons of adorable gay babies who will grow up to be taught in school that in 2008, their parents and grandparents made sure they would grow up in a country with the freedom to marginalize them. all the adorable straight babies will grow up to learn how much more from life they are entiltled to. well, at least in the United States.

 

more determined than ever

Nov 5, 2008

To "Confused", "Peter Lam" and "Joel M" - I'm straight, I'm a gay ally, and I will not take this lying down. All legal challenges against Prop 8 will have my full support. You can try all you want and spend all of your money to take away people's civil rights, but even with the passage of Prop 8, the tide is turning in our direction, not in yours, and ultimately you will not be able to stop it. I suggest you get over your childish phobias and learn to cope - we all have to live together, like it or not (and reading your comments, believe me, I'm not liking living with you). Democracy does not equal the tyranny of the majority. If it did, interracial marriages would be illegal, and segregation would still be the norm.

 

dgpeaches

Nov 5, 2008

The voters have decided twice now to ban gay marriage. Gay couples already have the right to form a union, it is called a Domestic Partnership. Gay couples should have their own word for their unions. Marriage, throughout time, has always applied to a man and a woman joining together. The voice of the majority should be not only heard but listened to. Stop snivelling, register as domestic partners, have your ceremony, but leave the definition of marriage alone. Gay couples are treated differently because they are different.

 

dgpeaches

Nov 5, 2008

The voters have decided twice now to ban gay marriage. Gay couples already have the right to form a union, it is called a Domestic Partnership. Gay couples should have their own word for their unions. Marriage, throughout time, has always applied to a man and a woman joining together. The voice of the majority should be not only heard but listened to. Stop snivelling, register as domestic partners, have your ceremony, but leave the definition of marriage alone. Gay couples are treated differently because they are different.

 

Nov 5, 2008

Let's vote on the constitutionality of straight marriages next. We'll see how YOU like it when the government puts the validity of your marriage up for a vote.

 

Legally Married Gay Couple

Nov 5, 2008

Let's vote on the constitutionality of straight marriages next. We'll see how YOU like it when the electorate decides whether or not your relationship is valid.

 

john

Nov 5, 2008

I cannot believe Diane Feinstein. She keeps talking about taking away rights. She conveniently forgets that those "rights" were granted by a court ignoring the will of the people and shoving a redefinition of marriage down our throats. Shame on the California Supreme Court putting their own agenda before the will of the people. What ever happened to being a public servant? Gays can live together, they can have domestic partnerships - but they can't be married because that isn't what marriage is and what marriage always has been. Social engineering is not the job of the court.

 

john

Nov 5, 2008

I cannot believe Diane Feinstein. She keeps talking about taking away rights. She conveniently forgets that those "rights" were granted by a court ignoring the will of the people and shoving a redefinition of marriage down our throats. Shame on the California Supreme Court putting their own agenda before the will of the people. What ever happened to being a public servant? Gays can live together, they can have domestic partnerships - but they can't be married because that isn't what marriage is and what marriage always has been. Social engineering is not the job of the court.

 

Frustrated

Nov 5, 2008

Why is it that the Majority Rule is not observed. Tis was put upto the people to decide and the Majority Won. Why fight it.

 

get over it

Nov 5, 2008

It shouldn't even matter if they have the right to marry. If you love the person it shouldn't be soooo important to get married when you can still be with the person forever without a marriage license.

 

john

Nov 5, 2008

Technically, marriage should not be defined as a right to which _anyone in any situation_ has equal claims to. Outside of personal religious reasons, marriage is society's way of insuring its own preservation. Legal contracts are entered into and benefits are given to a man and woman because they have the _potential_ to have children and, if they do, bear the physical, mental, and emotional burden of bringing a child into the society and raising them to be good citizens. This preserves society. Redefining marriage seeks to give homosexual couples the same benefits without the same responsibilities--where is the equality in that? How does that benefit society? What does it say to those who actually do bear the children that are the future of society? It says "your sacrifice does not matter to me." It says, "give me the benefits you have, and you do all the work." Who is hating on who? Who is the selfish one?

 

G-Girl

Nov 5, 2008

The California State Supreme Court had no right to validate same sex marriages BEFORE the election. By doing that they decided the people of California had no right to vote on this issue. And that is why it was overturned by the people. I'm not against same sex marriages, but it does open a pandoras box: should we allow polygamy, marriages between same sex siblings, etc...? If you truly believe in equal rights for all than these things should be legal as well.

 

legalrights

Nov 5, 2008

actually, dgpeaches, marriage has NOT been known as between one man and one woman "throughout time", as you say. It was Roman Emperor Constantius who created this rule in the year 342. Not God. Not nature. Just a two-bit dictator.

 

legalrights

Nov 5, 2008

actually, dgpeaches, marriage has NOT been known as between one man and one woman "throughout time", as you say. It was Roman Emperor Constantius who created this rule in the year 342. Not God. Not nature. Just a two-bit dictator.

 

Carl

Nov 5, 2008

11-5-08 The legal right to marry for gay and lesbian couples is as equal in the constitution as marriage between a man and "woman". All the state propositons in the world wont change that. The courts will decide. What is confusing though is why are some so concerned about people they will never meet and have no intension of sleeping with. You give my straight friends a bad name.

 

definately not confussed

Nov 5, 2008

To:"More determined than ever"- I don't understand why this issue is being viewed as taking away your civil rights. Marriage is, and has always been, defined as follows: "marriage refers to the state of,or relation between, a man and woman who have become husband and wife". Although you and countless straight individuals would love to change the meaning of marriage in California, Prop 8 made it clear than Californians perfer to leave it as is. Both sides on this issue fought hard and someone had to lose. You lost, now get over it.

 

equal rights

Nov 5, 2008

To all of you who voted "yes" on prop 8, I hope your sons and daughters turn out to be gay!

 

Dismas

Nov 5, 2008

Homosexuality is a sin. Why are the yes on 8 people bringing up all of these logical well reasoned objections in an attempt to argue the point. GOD hates sin. He provided HIS Son as a propitiation for the remission of our sins. We as humans and children of GOD aren't going to change GOD's mind by codifying homosexuality as legal. It will still be a sin in GOD's eyes, no matter how many people vote in favor of this particular transgression. Human legalities are not binding on the Creator. HIS judgement trumps all. Accept Jesus as your Lord and saviour. So he can free from your enslavement to this evil aberration, this vile sin. Sin by any other name is still sin!

 

calmike

Nov 5, 2008

Diane Feinstein should respect the majority vote. Few years from now, one group of people might want to marry more than 1 and would she say "we respect the right to marry more than 1". Use your brains!! I am not a christian, nor a republican, but a liberal democrat who voted for Obama. As for Hererra, you are wasting public money.

 

The Dark Ages

Nov 5, 2008

There is no such thing as the land of the free.

 

The Dark Ages

Nov 5, 2008

There is no such thing as the land of the free.

 

old guy

Nov 5, 2008

the very premise of this country and constitution the will of the people.. the people of california have spoken twice. now lets put this to rest and fix the real problems of the world

 

old guy

Nov 5, 2008

if my kids turn out gay, i will still love them with all my heart. i have a physical bond with them since i created both of them. can you say the same? do not mess with nature

 

James

Nov 5, 2008

The removal of rights from a minority constitutes tyranny. A democracy has checks and balances and litigation is a proper course of action to prevent the loss of civil rights that are guaranteed by the California Constitution. A similar analogy would be the stripping of rights and internment of Japanese-Americans during WWII: it was socially tolerated and then later ruled illegal.

 

Confused II

Nov 6, 2008

The election is over. Fifty-two percent of Californians voted for this law and since majority rules, not minority, Prop 8 is now law. Simple civics lesson.

 

Confused II

Nov 6, 2008

The election is over. Fifty-two percent of Californians voted for this law and since majority rules, not minority, Prop 8 is now law. Simple civics lesson.

 

thelaw

Nov 6, 2008

Why is our tax dollar being used to fight the Prop 8 question. I have no problem with the challenge itself, but why is the City's money (our tax dollars) being used to fund this fight. The money can come from any sources but not our tax money, including tax money of those that either voting yes on Prop 8, or didn't care either way.

 

ed lew

Nov 6, 2008

gavin is using the gay marriage issue to boister his goal for governor some day, to collect voters and his intentions are not real. just as he won't find the chief of police and lose all the asian voters. it's all a ploy.

 

ed lew

Nov 6, 2008

gavin is using the gay marriage issue to boister his goal for governor some day, to collect voters and his intentions are not real. just as he won't find the chief of police and lose all the asian voters. it's all a ploy.

 

James Sindell

Nov 11, 2008

If the gay/lesbian community truly believe that the entire country's civic rights are being denied, take the lawsuit to the Federal Courts. Taking it to California's court system only helps their cause in this state. Not doing so is discrimatory to other gay/lesbians all around the country. It is obvious that the gay/lesbian community knows that they will lose in Federal courts and the door will be closed entirely.

 


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