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Nightclub problems grab attention of supervisors

By: Brent Begin
Examiner Staff Writer
March 23, 2009

Proposals to clean up The City’s nightlife will be back in the limelight today.

Violence has long been in an issue in the popular party districts in San Francisco, including the South of Market area and North Beach, with fights and even murders occurring outside entertainment venues.

Mayor Gavin Newson in February 2008 introduced a bundle of ordinances that were aimed at tackling some of the major issues from which violence stems, including loitering outside of the clubs.

The Board of Supervisors City Operations and Neighborhood Services committee will today discuss three proposals meant to curb nightclub violence. One of those is Newsom’s loitering law that would allow police to cite people who spend more than three minutes hanging out within 10 feet of a club.

The district attorney would have the power to decide whether to charge an infraction or a misdemeanor. An infraction carries a fine of $50 to $100 or community service while a misdemeanor could land a violator in jail for up to six months, with a fine between $200 and $500.

A second violation would automatically be charged as a misdemeanor. Exceptions include waiting in line, smoking in a designated area and waiting for a bus.

The legislation would also grant the Entertainment Commission considerable power, and has been held up at the Board of Supervisors because of some last minute tinkering. One of the latest changes would create swifter permit suspension, cutting a 30-day suspension down to 72 hours, or a week for subsequent violations.

The second ordinance is for clubs with “extended-hours” permits, and would require such nightclubs to create security plans.

The Entertainment Commission was created in 2002 to take over the nightclub permitting duties of the Police Department. If the legislation is passed, the commission would also be granted authority to cite businesses with administrative citations.
 



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WTF!

Mar 23, 2009

Ok now I really do not feel this is necessary, to fine some one for standing outside of a club longer than THREE minutes?? That is absolutely rediculous. People may be waiting for rides, others that have not come out the club, promoting other venues, whatever. Jail time are you serious? Just want to give you all a heads up that is a law suit waiting to happen. Oh by the way if you make them move from standing by the club they will take it to the parking lot or down the street and do the same thing! Good luck. I know the city just lost a few customers at the the night clubs. And I hope this is standard is held up at both urban clubs as well as WHITE clubs!

 

WTF!

Mar 23, 2009

Ok now I really do not feel this is necessary, to fine some one for standing outside of a club longer than THREE minutes?? That is absolutely rediculous. People may be waiting for rides, others that have not come out the club, promoting other venues, whatever. Jail time are you serious? Just want to give you all a heads up that is a law suit waiting to happen. Oh by the way if you make them move from standing by the club they will take it to the parking lot or down the street and do the same thing! Good luck. I know the city just lost a few customers at the the night clubs. And I hope this is standard is held up at both urban clubs as well as WHITE clubs!

 

WTF!

Mar 23, 2009

Ok now I really do not feel this is necessary, to fine some one for standing outside of a club longer than THREE minutes?? That is absolutely rediculous. People may be waiting for rides, others that have not come out the club, promoting other venues, whatever. Jail time are you serious? Just want to give you all a heads up that is a law suit waiting to happen. Oh by the way if you make them move from standing by the club they will take it to the parking lot or down the street and do the same thing! Good luck. I know the city just lost a few customers at the the night clubs. And I hope this is standard is held up at both urban clubs as well as WHITE clubs!

 

WTF!

Mar 23, 2009

Ok now I really do not feel this is necessary, to fine some one for standing outside of a club longer than THREE minutes?? That is absolutely rediculous. People may be waiting for rides, others that have not come out the club, promoting other venues, whatever. Jail time are you serious? Just want to give you all a heads up that is a law suit waiting to happen. Oh by the way if you make them move from standing by the club they will take it to the parking lot or down the street and do the same thing! Good luck. I know the city just lost a few customers at the the night clubs. And I hope this is standard is held up at both urban clubs as well as WHITE clubs!

 

Betelumineux

Mar 23, 2009

3 minute loitering limit within 10 feet of a club or you face the possibility of a misdemeanor and jail time?? That's absolutely ridiculous. So much for having a cigarette if a club doesn't have a "designated smoking area", waiting for friends to get jackets, making new friends, or trying to hail one of SF's 5 taxi cabs. While I was once a supporter, the longer Newsome is in office the more he just appears to be inept at anything other than PR and hairstyles. How about we look for solutions that DON'T involve criminalizing innocent people and adding to our already underfunded and overburdened courts and police forces.

 

Clubs

Mar 23, 2009

Clubs should be expected to be responsible for their clients, particularly to monitor and cut off those who have had too much. I have been in bars where the bar tender has done it, they just have to be nice and explain why they are doing it. Beyond that owners and operators should be as reponsible as any business and work WITH the community to be a good neighbor. Security plan only work if the security people walk the neighborhood and listen to what neighbors (both business and residential) have to say. Violence of any kind is not an option to tollerate, period. In my Disctirct 6 hood 3 people have been shot and killed in 4 years with tons of fights, noise every friday and saturday until at least 3am. Someone must take responsiblility particularly since the out of control people are from out of town, they would NEVER get away with that behavior in their communities.

 

Mar 23, 2009

With privilege comes responsibility. I agree with "Clubs" above. The bars and places of entertainment can operate a a privilege, not a right. Like any business in the City, government can lay down the rules of operation. Clubs, like any new project, should be required to right an EIR, "Entertainment Impact Report" so that the the Entertainment Commission and assess the likely inpacts. Obvoious violence cannot be tolerated. But other impacts like traffic, noise, pollution are should also be mitigate just as they are for other projects in the city.

 

Gobilly

May 25, 2009

Why not have the Newsom and the city take over all of the clubs and run them like muni. That way they can do what ever they think is best for us. As a matter of fact why don't they take over everything and we the people won't have any fears or worries.

 

BOO

Jun 29, 2009

Im a club owner. Business and times are tough right now. Although our security teams as well as conscientious bartenders are making every effort to curb noise, violence, and loitering, all it takes is one person around the club, who may not have even been inside, to skid out, fight, and blemish a clubs name. Not to pass the buck but lets be realistic on responsibility. Ultimately, individuals should be held accountable.

 


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