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Lack of oversight of SF park patrol raises questions

By: Tamara Barak Aparton
Examiner Staff Writer
July 16, 2009

Allegations of park ranger misbehavior are investigated in-house by the Rec and Park Department, which prompts critics to suggest that complaints may not be addressed objectively. (Cindy Chew/The Examiner)

SAN FRANCISCO — On an August evening in 2008, Dr. Cynthia Smith gathered her two elderly German shepherds and headed for a stroll in Golden Gate Park. She was not expecting a confrontation, especially not with a San Francisco park ranger.

Smith, a 59-year-old podiatrist who lives across the street from the park, was recovering from abdominal surgery. Her dog, 11-year-old Hildie, was suffering from cancer and would rest after walking every 100 feet or so. Isolde, 9, also poked along, refusing to leave Hildie’s side.

Smith had her pets off-leash behind the grandstand — an area of contention among regular dog walkers. In 2006, The City’s now-defunct Dog Advisory Committee recommended the area, which is protected from traffic and equipped with a doggie drinking fountain, as off-leash.

However, The City’s parks chief at the time nixed the idea, and Smith was breaking the park code.

When she spotted a ranger on patrol, she says she quickly leashed her dogs. The ranger walked up to Smith and her dogs, and she says an argument ensued.

The ranger wrote Smith a ticket. Smith claims the ticket falsely stated her location as the nearby playing fields. She says she refused to sign and the confrontation quickly spiraled out of control.

“He got right up in my face. I told him to get away from me,” Smith says. That’s when the ranger shoved her in her stomach, Smith claims.

She said she became frightened.

“I kept saying, ‘I want SFPD called. I want SFPD,” she claims. “He kept saying, ‘I am SFPD,’ and I knew he wasn’t.”

Smith says she filed a police report, a claim with the City Attorney’s Office and a complaint against the ranger.

The City’s Attorney’s Office confirmed that Smith filed a claim Sept. 15, 2008, in connection with the Aug. 23 incident. The claim was denied Nov. 26.

Smith says she did not want to sink the money into a lawsuit for an incident in which she wasn’t seriously hurt. San Francisco police told her that since there were no witnesses to the alleged shoving, it was “basically a case of he-said, she-said,” Smith recalled.

Her complaint filed with the Recreation and Park Department against the ranger was found to have no merit, according to department officials. However, complaints filed against rangers are not independently vetted, as with complaints filed by other members of The City’s various public safety agencies.

San Francisco’s park rangers have been their own special security unit since being established in 1874 by William Hammond Hall, The City’s first Superintendent of Parks. They were known as the Park Guard for years, and as Park Patrol until recently.

The 18 park rangers are part of the Recreation and Park Department, and the $2 million budget needed to sustain them is a part of the department’s annual budget.

The rangers are tasked with enforcing the park code at The City’s 230 Recreation and Park facilities, which make up 3,400 acres. They focus heavily on Golden Gate and McLaren parks, monitoring public safety hazards, issuing citations for unleashed dogs and alcohol consumption, and responding to burglar alarms. Though they can make citizens arrests, they are not sworn officers and do not carry guns.

But unlike other city departments and agencies tasked with law enforcement, complaints against park rangers are investigated confidentially and internally by Rec and Park.

Citizens may file a complaint against rangers with the Recreation and Park Commission, which oversees the parks department, but ultimately, the commission is not the body that investigates. That’s done by Rec and Park staff, raising questions about their ability to be
objective.

Because the Recreation and Park Department keeps complaints against employees confidential, it’s impossible to know for sure if complaints against rangers have grown along with their ranks. Rec and Park receives about 10 ranger complaints per year from citizens, according to department spokeswoman Lisa Seitz Gruwell.

However, lack of independent review could change, said Rec and Park General Manager Phil Ginsburg, who took over the department last week.

“Frankly, I’m open to the process of independently reviewing citizen complaints. I think it’s in the best interest of the people and of the rangers,” Ginsburg said. “People need to feel like their complaints have been heard and evaluated fairly and in a timely manner. I think public trust is vital.”

If the number of complaints against the rangers remains small, as park officials claim, the complaining citizens are eager to step forward.

Earlier this summer, San Francisco Lindy Hop, which has danced weekly for years in Golden Gate Park, was told to disperse when members couldn’t produce a permit. They were issued a historical use permit by park officials after subsequent negative publicity.

In local blogs, dog walkers at Huntington Park in Nob Hill cited for leash law violations have complained about the aggressive demeanor of some of the rangers.

Elena Ionov, who uses the park to walk her two small dogs, says her experience with rangers has made her feel anything but safe.

In a recent letter to city officials, Ionov complained about a ranger becoming aggressive even after she agreed to leash her dogs. Ionov said she explained to the ranger that she feared taking her dogs to the designated off-leash area because a homeless man in the area had exposed himself to her two days earlier. The ranger told her she was making excuses, she said.

“He said I would have to go to the designated area or he would give me a citation if I did not cooperate with him. He was very aggressive.

This kind of negligent statement ... made me feel forced to go to the area that is potentially
dangerous for me, other women and children,” Ionov wrote.

Rangers’ overtime has grown rapidly

While a crippling deficit has shrunk most city departments, the number of park rangers has ballooned in recent years — and so has their overtime pay.

In 2006, five part time rangers cracked down on litter, unleashed dogs and other violations of the park code in The City’s 220 parks. The department ran on a $506,437 budget.

A year later, fed up with homeless encampments in Golden Gate Park, Mayor Gavin Newsom tripled the number of rangers,
specifically to enforce park code.

Today, 18 rangers patrol the parks and the budget has quadrupled to more than $2 million. But despite the increase in staff, overtime has also skyrocketed.

According to the City Controller’s Office, Head Park Patrol Officer Marcus Santiago, who has worked the parks for nine years, earned $144,606 last year, about half, $76,015, was in overtime pay. Jose Antonio Mitra, another head park patrol officer, took home $105,765. Overtime accounted for more than $40,000.

While the overtime numbers are high, most of the money isn’t coming out of The City’s coffers, according to Recreation and Park spokeswoman Lisa Seitz Gruwell.

For years, organizers of special events from war protests to concerts paid fees to cover police overtime hours. But thanks to a clause added in 2004, they must also pay for park ranger overtime. Gruwell said she wasn’t aware who added the clause, or why it was added.

Outside Lands, a three-day music and arts festival to be held in Golden Gate Park next month, will foot the bill for park rangers as well as police, Gruwell said.

“Outside Lands is paying for Park Patrol to be there and that will all be overtime,” Gruwell said.

Mike Horan, a former New York City cop and San Francisco Park Patrol officer, says event security by both police officers and rangers is wasteful and redundant, serving only to line the pockets of park rangers. Horan is currently suing the Recreation and Park Department over employment matters.

However, Gruwell defended the need for park rangers at events to enforce ordinances such as sound restrictions and littering. She acknowledged that police officers are also authorized to enforce the same laws.

“Technically, the police could, but they’re usually not focused on those kind of infractions; they’re focused on safety issues,” Gruwell said.

“The goal there was to make sure our parks were left in good condition when the events were over. It actually ends up saving us a lot of money in maintenance costs.”

Idea to arm park officers circulated

Several San Francisco park rangers are urging city officials to allow them to carry guns — or at the very least, to become sworn peace
officers.

Rangers currently carry pepper spray, batons and handcuffs, Rec and Park spokeswoman Lisa Seitz Gruwell said.

The idea to arm rangers is supported by Head Ranger Marcus Santiago, but opposed by the Recreation and Park Department.

Though they can make citizen’s arrests, rangers are instructed to call the police if they spot a dangerous situation or one in which an arrest is necessary.

In an internal Rec and Park memo obtained by The Examiner, Ranger Ramon Jayme proposes a plan to establish sworn peace officer status for rangers. Jayme describes threats that would justify carrying lethal weapons, including drug and alcohol-related violence, gang problems, sexual assaults in park restrooms and belligerent dog owners.

“The police cannot always be relied on to respond to assist our park rangers in actual emergencies or egregious crimes,” Jayme wrote.

The Recreation and Park Department does not support the bid to arm the rangers, Gruwell said.

“They’re not police officers. They haven’t been trained to do that, and they’re mostly dealing with infractions,” Gruwell said.

Jim Lazarus, president of the Recreation and Park Commission, said the idea has been discussed, but has never formally made it to
commissioners. However, Lazarus said he was interested in park rangers becoming sworn peace officers.

The training, which would be funded by the state, may or may not lead to rangers being armed in the future, but would be beneficial as far as “bringing up their professionalism,” Lazarus said.

How to tell a San Francisco police officer from a park ranger

The park rangers patrol the parks, but they are not police officers. Here is how you can tell them apart:

Police
Formed: 1849
Vehicles: Black-and-white patrol cars with blue SFPD star on door
Job: Enforce laws, investigate crime, make arrests
Uniforms: Navy blue clothing
Oversight: San Francisco Police Commission
Weapons carried: Guns, nonlethal weapons

Park Rangers
Formed: 1874
Vehicles: White sedans with gold, seven-pointed star on door
Job: Patrol parks, perform security checks, issue citations, aid police
Oversight: Recreation and Parks Department — no citizen oversight
Weapons carried: Nonlethal weapons

Source: SFPD, Recreation and Park Department


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Richard Hanlin

Jul 15, 2009

The story tells us that Head Ranger Marcus Santiago earned $144,606 dollars last year, almost half that in overtime. Using 2,000 hours as a work-year and dividing his hourly rate into his overtime you will find that the man billed out 4,000 hours last year. When does he sleep? Or maybe more to the point, where does he sleep? Rec and Park always answers that since permittees pay the overtime, it dfoesn't matter how much overtime he earns. But billing for something you didn't do is still a crime.

 

jstorson80

Jul 15, 2009

2 Million dollars a year to prevent unauthorized Lindy Dancing and assault old ladies for off leash dogs?
No supervision or public oversight?
A squad of bullies earning as much as $144,000.00 a year to hamper the public’s ability to peacefully enjoy the parks they pay for and shaking down innocent groups of citizens for “security”?
What exactly is the point of all this?
Let the real Police do the job we already pay them to do, and get rid of this ridiculously expensive and redundant set of power mad public money suckers.
http://sfist.com/2009/07/05/overzealous_park_rangers.php

 

General Talan

Jul 16, 2009

What should happen is that SF Sheriff should absorb the Park Rangers and make sure they get the proper 832 certification. Arrange that SFSD gets the amount of money budgeted for the Park Rangers to be used for the Park Ranger detail. Easy!

 

Pattie

Jul 16, 2009

I smoke tobaco and have a dog. I stoped usinf the parks in this city and walk past them instead.
I'm not politically correct so I feel I'm not welcomed in the Parks of San Francisco.

 

lanasfavmarin

Jul 16, 2009

So Marcus Santiago and the other rangers charge organizers of the North Beach Jazz Festival, the Union Square outdoor film festival, the Golden Gate Park Yogathon, Reggae in the Park, etc. and pocket the money for themselves, thus making it more costly (or just plain impossible) to provide these wonderful events to the people of San Francisco. That is a crime.

 

Mr Green

Jul 16, 2009

I heard from a friend of mine who works at the park that this so called Mike Horan who claims to be a retired New York police officer is not really a NEW YORK PD but from some small town called ALbany NY. This guy is so scared to work in the park alone that he carry's a concealed gun everyday that he works.Im glad that he does not work as a ranger anymore.I may not agree with some of the rangers but most of them are just doing the job that is given to them. People who are just used to do what they want for many years are mad now because someone is telling them to obey the Park Code.

 

lisa

Jul 16, 2009

Forget the sad stories of these victims and just look at the facts. Are these DOG WALKERS obeying the Park Law as everybody should? Is the Park Ranger doing his job by asking or telling these victims to put the dogs on leash? The WRITER should go out with the rangers and see for herself what kind of abuses these rangers get everytime they have to enforce the park code. I am a dog walker too but i never had a problem with the rangers. You know why? BECAUSE I OBEY THE LAW.

 

lisa

Jul 16, 2009

Shame on you Dr. Smith how can you cry when you violated the law.Dont be using your dogs sad stories to be heard.just think for a second since your a doctor you should know that there is a law to follow but you think that you should be exempted because of your sad stories. I bet you if there was somebody with a big pitt bull off leash in the area you will be the first to call the rangers to have it on leash.You did not sue because you know you will loose. And for you Elena Ionov there is no excuse because the day you were caught with your dog off leash there was no homeless man and if there was a problem then you should have called police or the rangers everyday if this was very important but you can cry victim but cannot call rec and park or police to patrol all the time.

 

Recparkperson

Jul 16, 2009

Interesting article. While recreation director positions have been drastically cut this past year (50 positions), Park Patrol has seen its funding increase. (Yes, they did suffer some cuts, but no where near to the amount that rec directors have been cut). Their funding increase was to maximize department revenue (write tickets, etc.). Why is it then, that unlike district police stations, Park Patrol does not publish the amount of tickets they write each month? Why has the Director of Operations refused to publish this fact? Just wondering....

 

life long sf'er

Jul 16, 2009

let's see.. two people who had their dogs off leash, when the rule is no off leash.... and then complain when they are caught behaving badly. wow, how san franciscan of them to still complain...

and the dance group who obtained a permit to hold an organized event after being notified one was needed. they "received" the permit after negative publicity? how about they applied for the permit.

love how the examiner puts the spin to sensationalize a "story"...

 

dan94124@yahoo.com

Jul 16, 2009

What happened to reporters checking their sources? Horan was a "police" dispatcher in Albany, NY.

 

Thank you for enforcing leash laws.

Jul 16, 2009

Thank you for enforcing the leash laws. I have has several bad experiences with agressive owners of dogs who intend to break the law and endanger the public by allowing their dogs to run off leash.

The off leash dogs cost the City Millions of dollars indamage to the parks every years, and 16 million dollars in lost recreation opportunites by people who can not use the park because of fear of dogs, fear of agressive dog owners, and dog wastes left behind.

If the rangers would enforce the leash laws, the payback in benefit to San Francisco is excellent.

It is like smokers used to complain about not being able to light up everywhere, but not that smoking is restricted it is better for almost everyone.

Thank you for enforcing the leash laws. Unfortunately, it is too credible that "empowoered and aggressive" dog owners will become beligerent when they are asked to follow societies laws.

Please enforce the leash laws in Dolores Park!!!!

 

fredfifty

Jul 16, 2009

i see alot of complaints about not needing park rangers. Do you think SFPD will respond priority "A" to a littering or off leash call...Rangers keep your parks clean by making it a priority to respond to these types of calls...save your breaths and realize rangers are needed!

 

Crazy Crazy

Jul 16, 2009

SF Rec & Park takes full advantage of the shield of the "noble mission" where it is supposed to provide full and fair access to quality to recreation but instead is a vehicle to misuse public funds.

New park renovations are overbuilt, budgets overrun, parks under staffed, clubhouses shuttered, employees under managed. Yet, SF Rec & Park has 4 layers of engineers, planners, and architects on the books and some Wine Country plans still in the works.

 

Jul 16, 2009

2 million dollars per year for litter ticket writers is a waste of money. It would be better spent on the hard working folks who clean up the parks.
Also - It's interesting to see all the park rangers on line here on a thursday morning. Not identifying themselves as they desperately try to poke holes in this story in an effort to keep taking taxpayer's money.
This isn't about dogs, it's about millions of dollars being wasted.

 

rsf3000

Jul 16, 2009

If you don’t think it’s wise to blow 2 million dollars a year on writing citations for infractions of the Park Code, now would be a good time to let your Supervisor know. They will be voting on the Budget (including millions for Rec and Park Rangers) in less than two weeks. If you believe 2 million dollars could be better spent elsewhere, tell them. You can find their email and phone numbers here : http://www.sfgov.org/site/bdsupvrs_index.asp

 

Write more infractions, there are many violations

Jul 16, 2009

I think that 2 million dollars to make the parks safe, and to enforce the leash laws is a bargain. Also, the City makes millions of dollars off of parking tickets, if the tickets for off leash dogs cost like a parking ticket, they could be making enough money to pay the salary of the gardeners who spent 10 of thousands of hours cleaning up after the dogs. Please, enforce the off leash dog laws. Belligerent dog owners have gone tooo far in fight with the park rangers.

 

I support the rangers, and oppose those who break the leash laws

Jul 16, 2009

Thank you SF Examiner

 

carl

Jul 16, 2009

no accountability and great pay
anyone know if their hiring?

 

Mike Horan

Jul 16, 2009

Finally...

 

Mr. Miller

Jul 16, 2009

dog is God backwards. Dog owners are above following leash laws. Rangers go home.

 

Rangers need to be on the leash

Jul 16, 2009

How come homeless people with their dogs being off leash are not getting any citations? Or do the park rangers selectively pick out people that look like they have money to pay? How does it work? How about a law that bans screaming crazy kids who's parents are not doing anything to make them be quiet in a public park? Or people who bring food and stuff to the park but "forget" to throw away their trash after it was blown away by wind a couple of feet away from them.

 

Sorry your dog has cancer, but . . .

Jul 16, 2009

Doc, I'm sorry your dog has cancer. I know what it is to lose close family to cancer. A friend died recently of cancer, and other good friend is fighting cancer with chemotherapy.

We can easily feel mad when a loved one has cancer, that is a human response. A friend and loved ones cancer is not a reason to not take responsibility for violating the law. You admit to breaking the leash laws. Just accept the responsiblity, and understand that the Ranger has a job to do. Other people who don't know your dog, want to be able to enjoy the fresh air, and the sunshine that can relieve their own problems. You can share better by keeping your dog on a leash. I'm sure it does hurt that your dog has cancer, but other people need to be able to use the park space for their needs too.

 

to Sorry...

Jul 16, 2009

yeah, teach your kids to be afraid of dogs. I think it is the rangers with guns we all should be scared of.

 

Jul 16, 2009

stupid people need to be on leash.

 

How much are the off leash infractions?

Jul 16, 2009

Could the author update the article with the amount of the off-leash infractions. The would seem to be a violation of the law similar to parking in a handicapped zone, or a bus zone,in that off leash dogs takes the public space away from the dedicated users. Also, the infraction should be high enough to deter violations, and be effective in stopping the violations of law.

 

Ha!

Jul 16, 2009

I walked passed that stupid off-leash area today around 2 pm and saw a woman going down on a guy! Rangers propably don't consider that a true crime.

 

rangers suck

Jul 16, 2009

Rangers think that dogs with no leashes are a bigger threat to children than sex offenders.

 

If there were tickets written for wasting Taxpayer's Money...

Jul 16, 2009

These Park Rangers would be getting a lot of them.

 

please

Jul 16, 2009

Really, people, are those two ladies with their dogs running off leash are the biggest problem to take care of in the GGP?

 

Photo of park rangers in "action"

Jul 16, 2009

http://sfist.com/2009/07/05/overzealous_park_rangers.php

 

not fair

Jul 16, 2009

E. Ionov, that ranger violated your personal rights. You should not be intimidated by anyone to go to a place you find unsafe and dangerous in any way. They need to be responsible for your safety in the park, not ticket you for trying to be in a safer area.

 

Remember the lawyer's dogs that killed the lady in Pacific Heights

Jul 16, 2009

Remember the lawyers dogs who killed the athletic lady in Pacific Heights. Those dogs were also owned by belligerent owners. Do the posters reallydoubts that off leash dogs is one of the biggest problems for Rec and Park, or are those trolls trying to get people angry.

 

it is time to do something...

Jul 16, 2009

people: Pick up your trash. Seriously. Bottles, burrito leftovers, cigarette butts, poop, you know what I'm talking about. Believe me, guys, there is more human poop than dog poop in the GGP. And that can be more hazardous to your health than a small dog running with no leash.

 

Please enforce the off leash laws

Jul 16, 2009

Please enforce the off leash laws, and allow the rangers to do the job.

 

People should come before aniimals

Jul 16, 2009

I'm not against animals, but people should be given the preference and importance to use the park first.

 

whatever

Jul 16, 2009

rangers have no clue what word "safety" is. Drunk bums should be on leashes and drug dealers who sell drugs to your kids in the park. Dog owners are just an easy target. Crackhead will kill you, dog poop - I doubt it.

 

crazy driving

Jul 16, 2009

are park rangers allowed to drive across the lawn when there is no chase or anything dramatic going on at the time? I see them do it all the time around the Big Rec area of the GGP. There are too many kids and people to be driving around all crazy like that. I have two kids that love playing with the dogs out there. All dogs out there are very friendly, well behaved and have great manners. I am more concerned about my children being run over by a crazy ranger in her sedan, than one of those dogs actually hurting my children.

 

response to whatever ...

Jul 16, 2009

I haven't seen many drug sellers in the parks, but on the rare occassion, if I tell them no, I'm not interested, they leave me alone. But I have seen and heard many stories of too many agressive dog owners, who get angry when told that we don't want their dog bothering us.

 

driving ....

Jul 16, 2009

I think someone is making up stories, to change attention from their violating the off leash dog laws. Off leash dogs in leash areas harm the park, cause damages, and scare the people from using the park.

Dog owners, please be responsible, follow the law, use the leash, or go to an off leash area. The parks have to be shared fairly.

 

sad but true

Jul 16, 2009

I get an impression that dog people are the easy target. Most of them are pretty legit people with a place to stay and enough money to take best care of their loving dog. I do notice that park rangers are not bothered by the amount of homeless people with dogs in the park. I hope that at least they keep them vaccinated. Most of them do not have leashes and wonder around while the owner is passed out. It almost feels like rangers are scared of bums and suspicious characters in the park. So it makes it just easy to go and ticket people who got their little yorkies playing around with no leash.

 

This story is about out of control bullies in uniforms being paid millions of dollars to harass the public.

Jul 16, 2009

It is only incidentally about dogs.

 

SF Politics Lesson

Jul 16, 2009

Its hard to imagine any observer of San Francisco politics and the Rec and Park commission, honestly saying that dog owners are an easy target. The dog owners are one of the most well organized and potent groups in Park politics. They have largely gotten their way by showing up in mass, and taking advantage of the situation that leash laws are not a priority for SFPD. Good that there are no some park rangers who have the expertise and involvment to see the result of the off leash dogs

 

Ranger Ramon Jayme

Jul 16, 2009

would you send your wife or daughter to a designated dog area of the park if she would tell you that she was traumatized and was terrified of going back in there?

 

Jul 16, 2009

how come they only have cases with women involved and not guys? I'm sure there are guys who have their dogs running around w/o leashes. I wonder if it was the same ranger in both cases.

 

wow

Jul 16, 2009

how come they only have cases with women involved and not guys? I'm sure there are guys who have their dogs running around w/o leashes. I wonder if it was the same ranger in both cases.

 

Jul 16, 2009

Park rangers have nothing better to do than enforce the law on dog people.

 

This city is going broke trying to enforce an endless and mind numbing list of petty and inconsequential rules.

Jul 16, 2009

And this article is an excellent example of how that is happening.

 

Jul 17, 2009

Marcus makes $144,000 a year!

 

Golden Gate Park Girl

Jul 17, 2009

Dogs running off-leash in golden gate park is a serious problem and I appreciate that park patrol is citing folks for it. Just keep your dog on a leash or go elsewhere if its not an off-leash area! I see the park patrol officers working very hard and taking on responsibilities of park staff that were recently layed-off (77 recreation directors). They have a huge area of parks and land to patrol and enforce rules. I commend them for their efforts. I do think a governing board would be a good idea.

 

BLAH

Jul 17, 2009

MIKE HORAN FTW!!!! oh wait, why were u let go again?

 

N'hood Watcher

Jul 17, 2009

I didn't even have to read the (turns out biased) article about Park Patrol to know it was all about whimpering dog owners who think the rules don't apply to them. RANGERS-consider all this hoopla about citing lawbreakers a BADGE OF HONOR... you're doing exactly what we want you to do - enforce Park Code and City Laws...PERIOD! This article is meant to intimidate everyone: rangers, police, park users, park staff into letting dog owners continue bad behavior - they don't want to be held accountable for being bullies.

 

lemme get this straight...

Jul 17, 2009

Equating minor civil infractions with violent criminal offenses; "beligerent dog owners" (like the one who immediately put her dogs on a leash) are a reason to carry a gun and to use deadly force... And yet some readers think there's something wrong with dog owners???

Well, you know, there's a thought. The last time I was in SF I wanted to shoot all the drivers who tailgated me. That's illegal, you know. What about the few who exceed the speed limit? Perhaps we can shoot people who park illegally too? Cyclists who don't signal? Jaywalkers? Kids who run around the pool? Wow, I can think of quite a list of regulations that apparently require deadly force... Yeah, that's the kind of place I want to live in...

 

Jul 17, 2009

Dog walkers need to limit the number of dogs per person. I see people with at least 6 dogs running around.

 

Jul 17, 2009

People need to realize that dogs off leash are not the biggest problem in the park.

 

who came up with this law?

Jul 17, 2009

Make the park safe for everyone. All parts of it. Then create laws about dog friendly areas. Why does it need to be a punishment for dog owners to be walking their dogs in an unsafe area? Since when is having a dog became a crime in this city? Whats next? They will make a law about limit of kids per sandbox on public playgrounds?

 

i have an idea

Jul 17, 2009

Please start ticketing / shooting people for eating in the park! It creates garbage. there is not enough room in trash cans to store all that trash. Please, please, please! We already have enough rats in this city!

 

oh, my

Jul 17, 2009

So from what I understand the park rangers need guns because some lady with two small dogs had her dogs off leash in the area where she was not supposed to? This is the dumbest thing anyone could come up with. Park rangers, I feel really sorry for you. You are pathetic.

 

to Lisa

Jul 17, 2009

how many dogs do you have/walk? I am pretty sure that you miss a pile or two a day that belongs to one of your "cash-cow" dogs.

 

Re: to Lisa

Jul 17, 2009



Hey, maybe she OBEYS THE LAW by not taking the dogs she is walking to the park! Then you wonder why your carpet smells so bad and wish Buddy could tell you where he was all day.

 

LIZ

Jul 17, 2009

One dept, in the city that needs to be cut are Park Patrol. What do does this dept do anyway? Wait I think I know issue citations to dog walkers how pathetic I agree. About the guns and peace officer status forget it dont forget your only Park Patrol/Security Officers.

 

rangers have no shame

Jul 17, 2009

If rangers need guns to take down belligerent dog owners with small dogs, I can only imagine what will happen to all the people not following "no skateboards, no bicycles" areas of the park. Ranger Jayme, the city will need to get you a cannon!

 

John in DC

Jul 18, 2009

The park is a dangerous place and the rangers are needed. I agree that they should be peace officers and absorbed by the SF Sheriff and properly trained and armed.

 

opera

Jul 18, 2009

Park rangers are a dangerous lot with no oversight and a macho-man attitude. They will become just like the Bart police and shoot people, causing huge lawsuits and settlements. This is much more expensive than oversight and reasonable behavior.
By the way, most tourists love dogs and they are a huge health benefit to all who enjoy them. Don't criminalize the non-agressive breeds. They do not cause any harm or damage the parks. The city should encourage people to choose smaller dogs for everyone's sake!

 

Jul 18, 2009

This article is about rangers asking for guns not to fight crime or make the park safe. Even from the guy who is exposing himself. It is about two ladies breaking the leash law is why rangers need those guns now?

 

Jul 18, 2009

they need guns now because two ladies had their dogs off leash? Is this like the biggest problem in the park now?

 

stupid, stupid, stupid

Jul 18, 2009

yup. the biggest issue in the park are the dogs running off leash. Are you guys blind? what is wrong with you? Go do your job and clean that park up from real nasty people, not small dogs with no leashes.

 

ranger Jayme made me laugh

Jul 18, 2009

This stupid article is not about those suckers needing guns to actually do their job, but to take care of the belligerent dog owners. Its not the underbelly grime of the park, its the dog owners. Ranger Jayme, you need help.

 

Jul 18, 2009

you dog haters need some help. What have dogs ever done to you?

 

Jul 18, 2009

Want a clean, pristine patch of grass where it's absolutely silent, there are no dogs, no kids, no neighbors, no community? It's called a backyard in a gated community.

 

POOPIE HEAD

Jul 19, 2009

HOLAA!!!!!!

 

Crooked Cop in Charge

Jul 19, 2009

What a lot of people dont know is that head Ranger Marcus SANTIAGO was fired from the Oakland Housing Authority PD for THEFT and EXCESSIVE FORCE back in 1993 (article published in Oakland tribune). Santiago was never able or fit to pass the requirements necessary to become a cop through the conventional method, so he finds a security gig and tries to make it into a Police Dept. I'm bewildered that he was able to get hired for a position of PUBLIC TRUST....this tells a lot about the standards required to be a park ranger...citizens beware!!

 

Wannabe Haters

Jul 19, 2009

I suspect that a lot of the pro-Ranger comments were written by some of the flunkie security guards (Rangers)incognito. Do SF a favor and disband and take your crook leader (Santiago) with you

 

Why do some dog owners think they can break the law.

Jul 20, 2009

Thank you ranger for enforcing the leash laws. We want to be able to walk in the park and not be bother by unwelcome dogs. Many of these off leash dogs and the law breaking owners are cause major damages to our parks.

 

Dog poop,

Jul 20, 2009

If you like dog poop so much, have your dog do it on your pillow.

 

Marcus Santiago And The Other Rangers Should Be Fired

Jul 20, 2009

Santiago is a crook, and the rest of these leeches don't do anything but instigate confrontations.

 

Dog Owners - OWN the conflict you cause

Jul 21, 2009

Park Patrol officers are a valued resource in our parks. Without them there would be NO eyes on safety at all. SFPD has "park cars" but they are rarely seen and will respond to only extreme cases of violence. DOGS off their leashes is THE most persistent problem that effects everyone in parks unlike any other violation. Dog owners are the perpetrators of this problem and must account for the conflicts they cause between citizens brought on by disrespect for the comfort and safety of others.

 

This article is about out of control security guards that cost the people of San Francisco 2 million dollars a year while providing almost no service or benefit.

Jul 21, 2009

Park Rangers and their apologists keep trying to distract the public from the real problem, which is the unnecessary park ranger force itself. With all the comments here, the only benefits of park rangers mentioned are litter tickets and off leash dog tickets. In a city facing an economic meltdown, only an idiot (or someone directly monetarily benefitting) would support this annual throwing of 2 million dollars into the trash.
Here are some articles showing what a pointless waste of money the park rangers are as they harass PEOPLE: http://www.sfweekly.com/2009-02-11/news/s-f-park-rangers-want-more-power-guns/ ... http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/06/30/BAUI18EPS8.DTL ... http://missionmission.wordpress.com/2009/07/13/city-sanctioned-muggers-harass-and-rob-dolores-park-goers/

 

What, specifically, have the Rec and Park Rangers accomplished?

Jul 21, 2009

Instead of coming on here and frothing at the mouth, why don't you give us specific accomplishments achieved by your heroes? What, in the last year (2 million dollars worth), did these rangers do? Again, please be specific.

 

Enough of rude belligerent owners of off leash dogs

Jul 21, 2009

Don't be rude, on line and in the park. Be considerate of other. Respect the law. Respect the hard working men and women who's job it is to enforce the law. Recognize that the vast majority of the people are against off leash dogs, and that SCREAMING LOUDLY on line or in meetings frighten other people.

 

doglover

Jul 21, 2009

Using morgue photos and excerpts from letters written by defendants Marjorie Knoller and Robert Noel, prosecutor James Hammer suggested that the mauling was the culmination of 30 incidents involving the two Presa Canario dogs that the husband-and-wife lawyers kept in the San Francisco apartment building where both they and Whipple lived.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2002/02/20/MN146402.DTL#ixzz0LwI6wRX3

 

What, specifically, have the Rec and Park Rangers accomplished?

Jul 21, 2009

So you're saying they have accomplished nothing.
I agree.

 

I'm saying the question about the rangers does should not be dignified with a response, but shouuld be ignored.

Jul 21, 2009

The rangers are helpfull. They are more expert about the park problems than the San Francisco Police Department, because they concentrate on just one part of the City.. I'm glad they are there. I see them openning the gates, and dealing with problems in the park.

 

who the hell do you people think you are?

Jul 21, 2009

Who the hell are you to think that you can go and tell people where to walk their dogs? The park is not your property. Dog people pay their taxes too, you know. Dog owners pick up their dog's poop. You are just too stupid to realize that a leash law will make someone clean up after their dog who did not clean up in first place.

 

Jul 21, 2009

screaming kids and their stupid lazy mothers should be banned from the parks for not letting people relax and enjoy their day. make your kids shut up in public places. If you like to hear them scream like crazy, please, do it in the privacy of your own home.

 

What, specifically, have the Rec and Park Rangers accomplished?

Jul 21, 2009

"I see them openning the gates"
Which gates?
Is that the only specific accomplishment anyone can come up with in the last year?
That is not worth 2 million dollars.

 

candyland

Jul 27, 2009

There was a piece on the local tv news that said Mayor Newsom increased the budget for park rangers to combat the homeless encampments in GGP. Then they showed that there were still encampments but no one was shutting them down. Guess now we have a large militia running loose around the city harassing ordinary citizens for a litany of small infractions. Seems pretty wasteful and the law of unintended consequences at work. Figures that the architect Santiago is an anti-social police reject. LETS SHUT THIS DOWN, PEOPLE.

 

denigirl

Jul 28, 2009

Good to see these people have their priorities straight: belligerent dog owners. What's the difference between a regular pet owner and a beligerant one? What are they going to do? shoot everyone who has their dog offleash or who is walking in the wrong place? Since when does dog walking constitute an "emergency or an egrigious crime." The egrigious crime here is the lack of oversight and the emergency would be giving these people weapons.

“The police cannot always be relied on to respond to assist our park rangers in actual emergencies or egregious crimes,” Jayme wrote.

 


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