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Respondents to survey favor high-speed rail instead of air travel

By: Mike Aldax
March 23, 2009

Cost of travel: Of those surveyed who were against fewer flights to California cities, about 37 percent wondered what would be the cost to taxpayers to run a high-speed rail. (Courtesy rendering)

SAN FRANCISCO — A majority of California voters favor cutting flights between airports to boost ridership on a high-speed rail in the state, according to a new survey.

California is working toward building a high-speed rail line that would shuttle passengers between San Francisco and Los Angeles in just under three hours.

Even though a bullet train between Los Angeles and San Francisco takes about an hour longer than a flight between those cities, 56 percent of the survey respondents said they’d prefer stifling airport activity in order to lure more riders onto a high-speed rail.

Rod Diridon, a member of the California High-Speed Rail Authority, said he’s not surprised by the survey results. Many Bay Area residents know that the time it takes to travel to airports, check in for flights, walk through security checkpoints and file onto the plane makes a short flight longer than a high-speed-rail trip connecting both cities’ downtown areas.

“I take the trip from the Bay Area to L.A. frequently, and I can’t get into downtown in less than four hours,” Diridon said.

He also pointed out that trips to airports often include extra costs for cab rides or other travel options.

And though the question was asked under the assumption that a round-trip flight between the Bay Area and Southern California would cost about the same as the fare for 220 mph trains, Diridon said he envisions a one-way high-speed-rail trip between San Francisco and Los Angeles to cost $55, which he said is typically less than a one-way flight.

Even without a mandate for fewer in-state flights, San Francisco International Airport is expecting domestic flights to drop off slightly with the addition of the high-speed rail.

The airport, however, supports building the system since it will help increase SFO’s cross-country and international flights by providing better access to the airport, spokesman Mike McCarron said.

“Easier access ... would more than compensate for these [interstate-flight] losses,” he said.

The survey by BW Research Partnership, a public-opinion research firm, asked as many as 2,000 registered voters questions about how they would envision the future of the major airports in San Francisco, Oakland and San Jose.

Seventeen percent of those surveyed were against the idea of limiting air travel, with 26 percent saying they were not sure. The remaining refused to comment, survey authors said.

Of the people against mandating fewer flights to California cities, about 37 percent said their biggest concern would be the cost to taxpayers to run a high-speed rail. Another 15 percent of respondents said high-speed rail would take too long between destinations, 12 percent said they wouldn’t want transportation choices regulated or mandated and 11 percent said they did not think the state needed a high-speed-rail system.

maldax@sfexaminer.com

High-speed rail vs. air travel

The majority of survey respondents said they would support limiting in-state flights in order to boost future high-speed-rail use.

Would you support limiting flights to cities in California and having passengers use a high-speed-rail system to get to destinations in Central and Southern California?

Support: 56%

Oppose: 17%

Not Sure: 26%

No answer: 1%

Would you still support limiting flights if you knew that the high-speed rail would cost about the same as air travel, but would take 2½ hours to get to Southern California?

Yes: 79%

No: 8%

Not sure: 12%

No answer: 1%

Source: BW Research Partnership



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Spokker

Mar 23, 2009

I knew people hated air travel, but I didn't know it was this bad.

 

Martin Engel

Mar 23, 2009

Here we go again. Another nonsense survey. “Would you go by train to anywhere, if you had to travel and there were no other options?” Did the survey ask only air travelers, since that is the population that must make such a choice? Does anyone in his or her right mind believe that a train ticket will cost $50. in ten years, as Kopp and Diridon keep promising? How much did train tickets cost ten years ago? How much do they cost now? How many people in the Bay Area have even taken a train to LA, and when was that? What’s this silliness about “limiting flights?” Who is going to limit flights? Why not ask about “limiting driving?” Asking hypothetical questions is for the mindless. Who, do you suppose, hired the BW Research Partnership to conduct this survey and why doesn’t the article state that?

 

Anticipation

Mar 23, 2009

... "anticipates" $55 for a one way trip. How about some precision. Let's look over to Europe. SF to LA is about 600km, which equals Nuremberg to Hamburg, Germany. With the German HSR (called ICE), this is a EUR114 ticket (incl. VAT), which is about $155 at the current exchange rate. And that's with the German Rail that receives considerable government subsidies...

 

Glen

Mar 23, 2009

Mindless survey only for those that oppose the results or the train system.. People in this state voted YES on HSR and it going to improve all intercity travel including making room for more long haul flights..NAY to the NAYSAYERS

 

Mike

Mar 23, 2009

"Who, do you suppose, hired the BW Research Partnership to conduct this survey and why doesn’t the article state that?" As long as we're asking "hypothetical questions", who do you suppose is supporting the most vehement opponents of high-speed rail? The issue is not a fight to the finish between rail, air, highway, horse aqnd buggy, or submarine travel, with the winner take all. Rail travel is not instead of other transportation modes, it is in ADDITION to other transportaion modes.

 

A true senior citizen

Mar 23, 2009

Probably, I'm one of the few people that opposes the Hi-speed train to LA. And I have a valid & best reason. Where I presently live is where the train tracks will be built.I moved here 12 plus years ago thinking this would be where I'd live the rest of my life--now in my late 70s. That means "eminent domain" on this property & I having to seek another resident--no fun. Being a true senior citizen-late 70s- it'd be a terrible hardship for me. For that reason, I pray & hope this "Hi speed train" won't be built. Where are the moneys coming from. Cost 7 billions to build initially, plus more to finish the project. How much can the ridership be charged if riders find that it's too expensive for the trip. Curiosity--do any of the people that proposed this route live next to or close by the tracks. Many residents, businesses & homes close to the tracks will also be affected by this humongous expensive project. A very concerned homeowner- Mrs. F. Lee

 

Reality Check

Mar 24, 2009

The poll was sponsored by the Regional Airport Planning Committee (RAPC). RAPC was formed by the four regional agencies (ABAG, BAAQMD, BCDC, MTC) to plan the future of the Bay Area's airports -- including the smaller local ones -- all of whom have seats on the Advisory Committee. See http://www.bcdc.ca.gov/planning/rapc/work_plan.shtml for more about the RAPC.

 

RedSkye

Apr 16, 2009

By my very elementary calculations, the ticket price on this LA-SF HSR train would need to be $830 for a one-way trip - to recover the infrastructure construction and maintenance costs plus the train operating costs. Until someone provides me with a better accounting of the costs of this pipe dream, I will consider HRS just that: a pipe dream. Unless voters allow our governments - fed, state and local - to proceed. Then I would call it a tragically wasteful folly.

 

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Apr 16, 2009

By my very elementary calculations, the ticket price on this LA-SF HSR train would need to be $830 for a one-way trip - to recover the infrastructure construction and maintenance costs plus the train operating costs. Until someone provides me with a better accounting of the costs of this pipe dream, I will consider HRS just that: a pipe dream. Unless voters allow our governments - fed, state and local - to proceed. Then I would call it a tragically wasteful folly.

 

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